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Date Posted: 16:52:04 05/19/17 Fri
Author: Knut Holt
Subject: MEDICAL AND PSYCOLOGICAL ORDEALS IN CHILDHOOD AND TEENHOOD - interesting polls and stories



Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood


Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his websites with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

http://www.mydeltapi.com/erotic-products.htm


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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events, like abduction for surveillance and experimentation by governments or mafias

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524

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Extended, mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia - where the kid undergo endoscopic inspections in the intimate zone and other body areas, extensive ultrasound inspections, ex-rays of several body zones, intrusive specimen collection and body function testings:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy or bladder inspections in kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret, intimate, intrusive medical exams and procedures under anesthesia on kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807
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All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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SOME OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED


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Girl, 4yo -12yo, San Jose, CA, Cystoscopies connected with dvelopment research and sexual abuse

I am female. I had problems down there. The exam took place in North America, San Jose, CA, every year from I was 4 yo to 12yo, years 2004-2016.

A doctor and nurse team performed the cystoscopy in a home visit, my father would be present during the exams.

INFORMATION GIVEN AND PREPARATIONS

Got some plain lie. My dad said it was necessary. It was a different doctor and nurse every time. The exams would happen several times a week. It was at home. my dad would have me strip naked before the doctor and nurse got there. Given enema during preparations.

First the nurse and then the doctor would touch me all over. It seemed to concentrate on my breasts and pelvis.

God lubricating and pain-killing fluid inserted in through the pee-hole. Got a tube into a blood vessel to give anesthesia. Got very sleepy but was conscious.


THE CYSTOSCOPY PROCEDURE

They put a rigid stick-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They pumped upp the bladder with air or gas when looking inside. They pumped up and irrigated bladder with water when looking inside.

They took out the scope and inserted a new scope to take further specimens. They also used an ultrasound probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area.

They inserted an ultrasound probe in through the vagina to inspect the bladder and pelvic area. They inserted an ultrasound probe in through the anus to inspect the bladder and pelvic area.

As soon as a scope would start to not hurt they would start using a thicker one.


OTHER EXAMS DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CYSTOSCOPIES

They inspected anus with a scope, and performed vaginal exams with a scope.


SYMPTOMS I FELT

they always hurt. when i was 10 my vagina would get wet even though it hurt.


ARRANGEMENT AFTER THE EXAM

Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Had to stay in bed more that a day after the exam. Got medicines into urethra with a syringe after the exam.

For hours after i also had a vibrating object in my vagina.

FOLLOW-UPS

Got hormonal therapy or other medication for development disturbances. Had to have a cathetherization routine.

The hormones made me develop sexually very early. by age 9 I was wearing a special bra size 26C.


THE REASONS FOR THE PROCEDURE

Had cystoscopy because of social or psychological problems or behaviour interpreted as symptoms of such problems. The cystoscopy was a part of a research project. I also heard them say that it was experiment in early sexual development and sexual response.


MY JUDGEMENT ABOUT THE PROCEDURE

It was humiliating or awful. Since i was developing early my dad would have sex with me starting at age 7.



COMMENTS

The girl is still only 13 years old. It is possible that some adult that know about these ordeal helped her answar or answared for her.

It is possible that the girl had a development problem they treated her for in the first place, possibly involving a too narrow urethra and narrowness in other parts of her urogenital organs, and possibly problems with pelvic functions and behavior interpreted as abnomal.

Possibly this community have a regular team that visit children in home do treat development problems and cooperate with the parents.

But in this case the ordeal seemed to have developed into something much more that was not for the good of the girl.

It seems like they used the girl in a research project regarding sexual and bodily development, and this experimentation must be regarded as child abuse. The father also used the ordeal as an opportunity to take sexual advantage of her doughter for his own gartification. The father probably got money for letting this project use her.

Some of the medical handlings described like feeling all over her body and the use of steadily thicker instruments in her urethra are not necessary wrong if it had been treat a development problem, but here it seems like much of the purpose got to be for experimentation.

Knut Holt

http://www.mydeltapi.com


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GIrl, 12 yo - Poland - cystoscopy to explore urination problems

My doughter had cystoscopy. The exam took place in Eastern Europe, Poland at 12 years old, year 2011. The cystoscopy occured in a hospital. Got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason. She was brought there by me, the mother. The reason was problems with urination.

Preparations:
Had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Given enema during preparations. Vitals taken like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. A consent formula was presented and signed.

Anesthesia and arrangements:
Got a shot to calm down and make sleepy. Was totally naked during exam. She lay on back with legs in stirrups.

How the exam occured:
They put a rigid stick-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They pumped up and irrigated bladder with water when looking inside.","They took out the scope and inserted a new scope to take further specimens. The scope or a new intrument was inserted even further up towards the kindeys.

They inserted an ultrasond probe in through the anus to inspect the bladder and genital area. Other additional exams.

Arrangements before the exam:
Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Had to stay in bed more that a day after the exam. Got medicines into urethra with a syringe after the exam.

Diagnosis and follow-up:
Diagnosis - valves or constrictions in the urethra. Had corrective surgery. Had to have a cathetherization routine.

JUdgements:
It was unneccessary. It was painful.


Comments:
It is uncertain how much of the information given here that is from what the doughter experiemced, from the mother present and seing all, or from information given.

The procedure described is a fairly standard examination for children with problems during urination. But it was added that other exams were done, but not what. The ultrasound inside her anal region probably had the purpose of getting a broad pelvic overview. In boys and younger girls the anus is typically used for that exam. In girls in full puberty and adult women the ultrasound is more often performed through the vagina.

Children that have such procedures will always be totally naked during preparations, and mounting, but then other body areas than just pelvic zones is usually covered. In the recovery period, the kid will again often be totally naked under a blanket.

If she was totally naked all the time, they probably did some additionl tests further up in her body with external instruments too, most probably ultrasound exams or x-ray pictures taken. The purpose was probably a full assessment of her development and pubertal status.

I guess that the mother left the room just after her doughter had been mounted so that she did ot see the whole procedure. I think that her doughter then was intubated, given full general anesthesia with artificial breething during the procedure, but not given information about this. The long recovery time seems to indicate that.

The mother indicates that she deems the procedure unneccessary. If she had a narrow urethra or some blockings there, it could have caused bigger problems in the future. But from the account it looks like they corrected it with a more major surgery, while it could be corrected with a fairly easy procedure.

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Girl, 15 yo, Nevada, Cystoscopy to investigate voiding difficuloties

I am female. The exam took place in North America. Nevada, in 2003 When I was 15 years old.

The cystoscopy occured in a hospital. I got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason. My dad took me. It was a follow-up after visiting my primary doctor when I had minor pains and some difficulty peeing.


PREPARATION

Had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Given enema at home before going. Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained.

I lay on back with legs in stirrups. I got np anesthesia. I wasn't really worried or anxious or scared so i didnt need anything to calm my nerves. I got lubrication of my peehole but i dont think it had any pain killing effects. It felt weird but didn't really hurt.


THE PROCEDURE

They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They also used an ultrasond probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area.


DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UP

It was inconclusive. They didnt find anything wrong with me. suggested I drink plenty of water, cranberry juice. and green tea, and a followup with my primary doctor 2 weeks later unless it got worse.

The reason was problems with urination. The followup appointment was fine. My symptoms were gone. Doctor said it might be due to stress or something. It might have been where I worried it into existence. Had some trouble peeing, and some minor pains down there that led to speculation with me and my mom about what it was, which caused more worry...it turned out to be nothing.


JUDGEMENT

It was useful. It was not any big deal. The exam felt really weird like it should hurt somehow but it wasn't painful at all. I think getting that exam put my mind at ease and whatever it was just went away.


COMMENT

With modern equipment and with a gental approach a cystoscopy is a very easy procedure that can be made painfree without deep sedation or general anesthesia. In reality can the anesthesia give more disconfort, trouble and risk than the procedure done without. Doing the procedure as in this case is mostly the best way.

Yet many health institutions always subject children and teens to deep sedation or general anestesia for this procedure and other simple procedures. This shows that there is a great amount of dishonesty in the health institutions and that they often do additional things they do not tell to the kid and not to the parents either.

But this girl was taken care of by a staff working in an honest way.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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GIRL, 17YO, NORTH AMERICA, YEAR 2010

A female friend had cystoscopy. The exam took place in North America, USA, 17 years old, Year 2010. The cystoscopy occured in a hospital.

She got now explanation. The exam was a total surprize. Her mom and I went with her.

Preparations:
She had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Shen got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Got a hospital gown before going to bed. While in bed given medicine to get very sleepy but was awake. The whole bed was rolled with her upon when the time for the exam had come.

Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. A consent formula was presented and signed. She got a tube into a blood vessel to give anesthesia. Got very sleepy but was conscious.

Exam procedure:
Had a gown around me, but the lower body was naked. Lay on back with legs in stirrups. I do not know how the exam was done.

After the exam:
Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Had to stay in bed some hours after the exam.

Diagnosis and treatment:
Diagnosis - reflux of urine up towards the kidneys - Vescicourethetral reflux. She had corrective surgery.

The primary reason for the exam:
The reason was problems with urination.

Judgement:
It was useful.

COMMENTS:
It seems to be common that young people are brought in for intimate exams without getting to know what shall be done. It is also typical that the staff tend to use general anesthesia to avoid rememberance of the experience on young persons. But ironically, and tragically the anesthesia causes more risks and more discomfort afterwards than the procedure itself would have done with only local numbingh ans cautious handling.



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Boy, 16yo, Florida, North Am, exam to investigate late puberty

I am a male. I was a teenager, 16yo. The exam occured in florida, Year 1990 - 1999, North America, in a health centre. I got there in a bus. A doctor examined me with a murse present too-

OVERVIEW OF THE THINGS DONE

They examined my head, teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam.","They examined the organs inside my chest. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones. They performed a full functional test of my breathing, heart and blood circulation under workload. They performed a psychological exam. They made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life. They took a couple regular pictures of me.

ARRANGEMENTS

I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: standin,lying down, on all fours.

EXAM SEQUENCE

The first thing they did with me: stripped to underwear, weight and height taken. The second thing they did: ears nose and throat exam: The third thing they did: respiratory. Then abdominal lying down.

Doctor removed my underwear and did a hernia and genital exam. They also took a lot of measurements including the size of my testicals and my penis soft and erect. The exam ended by talking tome about being a teenager.

Sfter measurments dr had me do push ups sit ups, and jog in place while she ckecked my heart rate.


REASON AND JUDGEMENT

What do you think was the reason for this exam?","I was underdeveloped for my age and late to puberty.","What is your opinion about thios experience?","it was good dr was nice i didnt know anything about pubert dr taught me.


EXAM OF THE URINARY SYSTEM

I also peed in a cup. I do not remember exactly how they examined my urinary system, but they did something down there.


GENITAL EXAM

They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. I had never masturbated but dr.neededsample so doctor showed me how by masturbating me for sample.


RECTAL AND PELVIC EXAM

They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. On all fours for rectal during semen sample dr would sometimtes have me lift my legs up inair to look at but/bals.


DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UPS

The exam resulted in this diagnosis: delayed puberty. New exams as follow up every six momths, not as detailed or long.


COMMENTS

It did not look as if the boy had a retardment of puberty that caused any problems, and the doctor therefore did not seem to start any treatment, but only observed his further development.

The society seems to have am exaggerated view of how great the difference between a prepubertal boy and a man shall be, and tend to regard persons that do not develop any great difference as abnormal, which may result in treatments that violate the personality of individuals.

This did not seem to occur in this case, and that the boy got some useful counceling from the ordeals.

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