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Date Posted: 09:33:03am 11/22/05 Tue,
Author: JoeStag
Subject: Re: Observations on tonights game
In reply to:
Reindeer Fan
's message, "Observations on tonights game" on 11:32:17pm 11/21/05 Mon,
RF,
Agree with much of your observations. but here are some comments
Middleton might have to get more minutes, but its probably more due to that we are not getting production out of Carter or Reedal at that postion, rather than what Middleton has done. In most cases, giving PT to a player that does not deserve it, just to give him on teh job training, is not good for team harmony, but under these cirmcumstances in this 1st sememster, it might make sense
MOS needs help on the inside, and I agree that MOS is not capable of defending a true center with skills, but I think most MAAC teams will play without centers and MOS should matchup a lot better as he is similar to most MAAC starters in frontcourt. Right now, there is not a good option to play along side him .
I was expecting our offense to stuggle tonight, because St Joes has an excellent defense, but I thought we still passed well. Our defense was what surprised me, as St Joes had too many open shots. The Frosh will improve their defense, thats part of the learning process, but Oglesby did too much grabbing and clutching. The whole idea of not having a good defensive team is not good.
A lack of a comment on MVS on your part is very reflective of how he played....... he is not doing enough. He is invisible, and thats not good enough for a player that I was expecting to be one of our top players this year. Sometimes we focus on what players cannot do, and thats typical that mid major players do have limitations to their game. But IMO, to win games, you need players that can do something. I really like MVS's skills, but untill he starts to become more aggressive, we are not going to win, and he has to relize that. He needs to play more like Michael Bell right now. Bell's missed a lot of shots, but he has also made his 3's at about 30%. His continued shooting will pay off, as he is getting himself into good position
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Re: Observations on tonights game -- campion109, 10:08:34am 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
agree with most of the above but I am feeling a little more skeptical.
1) We are small. We are going to have rebounding issues all year and that scares me.
2) John Han is outstanding. A number of times he made passes that nobody was expecting.
3) No free throws in the first half? Are we afraid to penetrate?
4) I think the AHY experiment has failed. Hopefully that marketing group can drum up some interest and support as there was nobody at the game. Kudos for the students for showing up but, for a somewhat marquee game to draw less than 3,000 is pathetic. The local community does not, for the most part, care for the events and it showed last night where our home opener was pretty much empty - even with the new configuration.
5) I will not concede the season yet as it's only two games old but last night's game was probably the worst game I have ever seen them play...
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It Wasn't A Marquee Game -- Frank F, 01:03:44pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Because one of the the teams- namely Fairfield, has few Div I players on its roster, and those they do have are always playing out of position. This situation started developing last year - some of us at that time were pointing to a lack of size and strength up front.The coaching staff has not done anything to solve that problem. The loss to St Francis only reinforced that desperate situation, with even Joe Stag admitting we got beaten by some 6-4 and 6-5 forwards that were too big & too strong for us to handle. You can't go on fooling people by telling them our problems are solved because we have great shooting guards (we don't) that are going to run the opposition into the group. How many times did our guards penetrate and have their shots blocks by St. Joe's players who never even jumped to do it. They just extended their arms in the air...that's all they had to do because they were so much bigger than our players.
We are usually playing the game with four guards and one forward and you cannot get away with it.
People will come when you produce a winning team. It looks like we are several years away from even the possibility of that.
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Re: It Wasn't A Marquee Game -- JoeStag, 01:57:07pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Frank,
If your going to reference me, try to at least get it right :-). I did not say that St Francis's 6-4/6-5 players were "too big and too strong for us". Thats not true. St Francis players were exact duplicates of Maxwell and Mamadou type players, and I said they were "quick, strong, athletic and could score". St Francis had those players and we did not. MAAC teams also have those players, so without Max and Mamdou we have some real issues even in the MAAC.
For a portion of our tough OOC schedule (St Joes, Providence, Iowa and Georgetown), Yes, we are going to be significantly outsized, but that is still no excuse of how we played last night. IMO, shooting only 3 FT's last night is reflective that we need to be more physical to get to the line, and to play tougher defense/rebounding.
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Re: Observations on tonights game -- Rave, 10:39:26am 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
I agree with most of the comments made. However, after watching this game and some of the scrimmages, I believe that Reedal must play more. His upside is huge. He has a great stroke and I think he can get as many rebounds as Carter has gotten in 2 games (1). If we are going to lose games before the MAAC season, and we are going to lose many if not all, then at least let's get Reedal, Herbie and Hahn the experience they need to make us better in the new year.
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Reedal, Middleton or Carter -- JoeStag, 12:42:27pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Defense and Rebounding are two of the major areas that need improvement, and a lot of the improvement needs to come from the position along side MOS. And while neither of the 3 contenders (Reedal, Middleton or Carter) have distinguished themselves defensively. There does seem to be a rebounding stat that is quite interesting that Rave pointed out. Reedal has as many Rebounds Carter. There is minimal statistical data but here are the rebounds/minute for each of those 3 players
Reedal - .27
Middleton - .10
Carter - .08
That's quite a difference when you consider that a stat of .20 is what a good rebounder usually gets. MOS is at .27, and Gai was at .26, Maxwell was at .18, and MOS at .22 last year.
Now Middleton give us a tall presence, and Carter gives us strength. But rebounding is more about getting it done, so if Reedal is showing a nose for rebounding, maybe he should be more of an option. He certainly brings more offense to the table than Carter and Middleton. I can't comment on Reedal's defense as I have not seen him that often. Has anybody watch Reedal on Defense.
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Re: Observations on tonights game -- Reindeer Fan, 01:25:15pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
JS - I didn't know what to say about MVS. He didn't have a lot of turnovers and never does, because he doesn't do anything to create offense. Defensively he covered the 6'10 guy he was assigned quite admirably in the post, but couldn't cover anybody on the outside. The guards blew past him and as someone else noted, even the 6'10 guy was faster off the dribble than he was. I didn't want my post to be all negatives, but certainly defensively, I was looking for more from MVS than he delivered last night. But then, I think I got say that about Danny O, Han, Todd, etc. etc....Tom
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