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Date Posted: 11:06:40am 11/22/05 Tue,
Author: SonofDoc
Subject: Comments on the comments
In reply to:
Reindeer Fan
's message, "Observations on tonights game" on 11:32:17pm 11/21/05 Mon,
1. I agree that Middleton must continue to get minutes so help him develop. He was brought into Fairfield with a certain level of talent, and game minutes are all about on the job training. I think there are very few Fairfield players who have contributed any level of success without first having to endure a trial period with a learning curve, and that includes such players as Darren Phillip and Robbie Thompson. If O'Toole brought him into Fairfield, he should have some minimum level of skill that should be utilized, he is not "trying out" for the team. His minutes last night were of higher quality than his limited minutes last year. Even though it was a 30 point game in the last minute, he should not have thrown up that 3 point shot. I hope he was corrected on that.
2. I thought the team played hard last night and hustled, which makes the crushing defeat even harder to swallow. My expectations are not high for teh first half of the year, but realize no one else in the MAAC is starting out on fire either.
3. I liked the new configuation very much. The crowd was a disappointment but hopefully will be better next week with a Big East team coming in.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- JoeStag, 11:51:33am 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Sonof Doc,
I would agree with you about Thomson and Phillip getting minutes as on the job training, but both of them provided immediate impact for us winning games. Those 2 did not enter the game for the sole purpose of OJT. If Middleton can provide some impact while he is in, then I am all for OJT. I think right now there is little material difference between Middleton, Carter and Reedal.
But a better of example of of playing a player just for OJT was Gai his frosh year. He played over Thomson, and probably did not win that job over Robbie. His learning on the job was so much an issue, and we lost a lot of games that we shouldn't have........ until TOT went to the Platoon system. Another example of playing players on Potential and giving them OJT was Siena last year playing all their freshman guards last year.
I think its pretty obvious when a player like Phillip, Thomson, Todd, Maxwell or Han come along. When a Gai comes along and is raw, the decision is not that obvious. Don't know if Middleton is the guy, or some say invest in Reedal, or is Carter the option. IMO, they should at least share the 40 minutes.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- RayS, 12:42:18pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
The problem is either the players we have recruited were overrated or they have not improved over the years they have played at FU. When Todd came I read about what a great guard he would be for us now in his senior year he is outplayed by a freshman! He and Bell should be our leaders out there.
There is something seriosly wrong when your seniors are not stepping up and providing leadershipby example. The only player to do so in the last 5-6 years was RT and he would not have been given the opportunity if DG hadn't been hurt.
Lack of size is a convenient excuse for the St. Joe's loss but does not account for the loss to St. Francis. If you look at Todd's stats fromboth games they are disturingly similar. one would expect him to have amuch better game against the lower level of competition from an NEC team.
My point is that either our expectations of the young man's abilities were set too high or he has not progressed from his freshman year. If the latter is the case then in 3 years we may be saying the same thing about Jon Han. I certainly don't blame the players for this but in fairness to them if their ability levelhas been overhyped we should not be asking them to compete against the St. Joe's of the world. As someone else pointed out lets play Sacred Heart & teams at that level where at least the games are entertaining & competitive.
I shudder to think at what will happen against Iowa. Again I'm not blaming the players, maybe we need more realistic scheduling.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Running Man, 02:48:26pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Ray, I agree with much of what you have written. This business of scrutinizing a player's H.S. stats and assuming that he will make a contribution on that basis is sheer folly. Reserve judgement until you have seen him play. Disallusionment and disappointment are too often the byproducts of not doing this. Many will disagree with me, but in my opinion TOT is at best an average recruiter. It seems that he has had great difficulty recruiting shooters unlike some of our MAAC brethren who always seem to have a couple of guys who are deadly from the perimeter. From what I see it will take an act of God to transform our guys into any kind of consistent outside threats. We have been waiting on some of our guys for two or three years to develop, but they are the same players now that they were when they arrived (in some cases less proficient). And don't get me started on the frontcourt.
In assessing our current crop of players I would say that most are average MAAC guys and are playing at the level where they belong. Some should actually be at a lower level than the MAAC. Sorry to be blunt, but this is the reality of the situation.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- RayS, 05:23:17pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Hey RM good to "talk" to you again. My question is if TOT is only an average recruiter, and as some have said only an average "x's&o's" guy, what is the argument for keeping him around for the next 5-8 years?
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Running Man, 09:34:21pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Ray,
Have you run that marathon yet?
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Menzies, 04:05:11pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
I watched a bit of Iowa-Kentucky last night. The thought going through my head was that Iowa will just continue to get offensive rebounds until they score.....every single possession!!!!!!!
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Stagman, 12:37:20pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
If Middleton can get some rebounds, make a couple of shots down low, and block a shot or two, then he should play. We got outrebounded last night 34-21 and allowed nearly 60% shooting. I find it hard to believe that a 6'9" player wouldn't help a bit, unless he has absolutely no skills.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Chuck, 04:48:56pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Hate to have to say this, but you should take a look at this kid in practice.
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Re: Comments on the comments -- ghostman, 05:14:08pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
Please elaborate -
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Re: Comments on the comments -- Chuck, 10:35:06pm 11/22/05 Tue, [1]
From seeing a couple of practices it seems he is very confused each time the squad goes through the plays they are required to run. On two occasions he was pulled out and given a talk. One time he was removed and one of the assistants spent about 10 minutes on the sidelines with him. I don't know; I guess this happens with a lot of players. Whether attitude or lack of court instinct, he seems to get lost more than others.
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