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Date Posted: 17:16:23 03/01/05 Tue
Author: Shane
Subject: one last thought
In reply to: Shane 's message, "Not cleared up....yet." on 15:52:39 03/01/05 Tue

I won't go on beyond this...because I'm leading away from the topic of the thread...but let me add this point; social conservatism and fundamentalism are two separate items that sometimes overlap. I think I see what Mike's point is, but in my view he is really describing a social conservative.

Also, sometimes I really question whether UBFins were fundamentalist or social conservatists. I remember one missionary in the LA chapter reccommending an abortion to one members sister. For the simple reason it would be easier to go to school without a baby. (Is this a good reason to get an abortion?)As far as UBFins being fundamentalists...maybe...do UBFins beleive in salvation through faith or do they beleive something else? Sometimes UBFins changed their doctrine to fit the crowd.

>Mike,
>
>Your definition of "fundamentalist" and mine are
>different. My def. of fund. is 'one who beleives in
>the fundamentals of the bible'. What are the fund. of
>the bible? The trinity, Jesus' death and resurrection,
>salvation through faith. I would say these are the
>fundamentals of the bible.
>
>Another, very close def. would be 'one who accepts the
>bible as literally true'. By this I mean, one who
>believes that the bible is the word of God. Not that
>we take every word as "literally" true....of course
>there are parables, symbolism...etc.
>
>I think in your description of a 'fundamentalist' you
>have gone beyond the proper definition and unduly
>expanded the meaning.
>
>Shane
>
>
>
>
>
>>Well, Anon,
>>
>>let me start off with defining "fundamentalism" and
>>"liberalism".
>>
>>Fundamentalists have their own concept on how the
>>Bible is to be interpreted, and they will fit ANY
>>verse of the Bible into that concept, usually
>>discounting contrary Bible passages, saying "you don't
>>understand them properly".
>>A typical (yet extreme) biblical example of biblical
>>fundamentalists are the Pharisees who would even kill
>>the Lord Jesus because He wouldn't stick up with their
>>self-servign religion that served to glorify them, not
>>God.
>>
>>
>>Liberalists, on the other hand, are the kind of people
>>who say "The Bible says this, the Bible says that, so
>>what?", like fundamentalists these people put their
>>concept about the Lord above the written word of God,
>>but whereas the fundamentalist justifies their
>>practice with the Bible, the liberalist will not care
>>what the Bible says in the first place, because the
>>Bible to them is not The Book of Life, but merely a
>>narrative with some interesting (and useful)
>>principles.
>>
>>The fundamentalist: THE BIBLE justifies what I'm doing
>>and believe.
>>The liberalist: MY FAITH says I'm right, society says
>>I'm right, and the Bible... well, it's an old book.
>>
>>Both are extremes. I abhor both of these extremes.
>>
>>People who will discount the Bible when it contradicts
>>their concept one way or another (either by saying
>>"When the Lord says let your no mean no, it shouldn't
>>be understood so hard, it's situational" or by saying
>>"Who cares what the Lord says?") are always
>suspicious.
>>
>>With that clarified, I think we can start to discuss.
>>
>>In Christ,
>>Mike K.

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