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Date Posted: 11:31:33 01/27/06 Fri
Author: Iymlad
Subject: Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco!
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's message, "Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco!" on 10:26:18 01/27/06 Fri
"Well, the obvious answer is Lucifer,"
No, no, no. The whole Lucifer thing is recent history. I actually did a little research on this recently and it seems that the introduction of "Lucifer" was a misinterpretation of a reference to the Planet Venus and/or a Summerian King. The Torah does not (as I understand) describe a personality that matches our present Lucifer/Satan/Fallen Angel. That's all christian stuff, and I really don't have interest in their (mis)interpretations.
http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/hpb/HistoryOfAPlanet.htm
"There are many theories as to what that catalyst actually was,ranging from aliens to the gods to hallucinogenic drugs to evolutionary forces to agriculture..."
I'm impressed that you have all this stuff at the tip of your tongue. I was only recently exposed to some of the above theories.
>Well, in Greek mythology, Prometheus stole fire from
>the gods and gave that power to humanity. As
>punishment to humanity, Zeus gave the box to Pandora,
>who opened it (because of curiosity) and all the
>problems of the world were released upon humanity.
I am quite familiar with this myth. But I woulnd't equate the fire with the apple, at least with the assumption that the apple represents the introduction of consciousness to humanity. I see the fire as the wisdom to manipulate the material world. Perhaps one can equate Prometheus with the snake however. Thinking about it now ... it does seem that the consumption of the apple is analagous to the opening of Pandora's Box (oh how I love saying that).
>The African Bushmen have a similar myth involving
>fire.
Any leads for me tracking down a version of that myth?
>I'm saying, I think this birth of consciousness is a
>positive thing.
Ah, I agree that it should not be presented in the negative light is often is. It is what it is, positive and negative sides to it.
>There's another interesting myth involving an apple
>and the gods:
VERY nice. I had forgotten about THAT golden apple. I actually use the golden apple symbology for a children's group that I help run ... I'll have to brush up on that. Thanks!
>I don't like her description of the "moral" of the
>myth.
I certainly do not agree with her moral either.
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Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco! -- 23, 12:08:53 01/27/06 Fri [1]
>http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/hpb/HistoryOfAPlanet.htm
That was a really intersting link. I had always associated Lucifer with Mercury, not Venus. Mercury being the Roman version of Hermes, who fills a similar place in the pantheon as Lucifer (in his role as the light-bringer, not his role as the lord of hell).
>Any leads for me tracking down a version of that myth?
Here's a pretty good one:
http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_14.html
>VERY nice. I had forgotten about THAT golden apple.
>I actually use the golden apple symbology for a
>children's group that I help run ... I'll have to
>brush up on that. Thanks!
It's one of my favorites. I'm a fan of Discordianism.
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Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco! -- Iymlad, 12:29:30 01/27/06 Fri [1]
(in his role as the
>light-bringer, not his role as the lord of hell).
But does Lucifer (not as a name for Venus but light bringer and/or "fallen angel") have a place outside christianity (i.e. Judiasm, Greek/Roman)? I still don't have an answer to that ...
>Here's a pretty good one:
>
>http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_14.html
Perfect ... thanks.
>It's one of my favorites. I'm a fan of Discordianism.
I was unaware or the term. The name brings anarchy to my mind. Thanks again.
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Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco! -- 23, 13:16:18 01/27/06 Fri [1]
>I was unaware or the term. The name brings anarchy to
>my mind. Thanks again.
If you're bored:
http://www.discordian.com/
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Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco! -- Iymlad, 13:27:57 01/27/06 Fri [1]
IF I'm bored!!! DUDE, I'm reading your posts aren't I! :)
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Re: I'm either retarded or phsyco! -- 23, 13:36:02 01/27/06 Fri [1]
So very true.
I'm surprised I don't put myself to sleep half the time I'm typing this nonsenaa0aienaotn;el/. lk nlk l./////////////////////////////////////////////////
(sorry, head fell on the keyboard)
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