VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 123456789[10] ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 16:00:02 01/17/06 Tue
Author: chrys
Subject: Re: whoa that's cool
In reply to: 23 's message, "Re: whoa that's cool" on 10:22:12 01/17/06 Tue

right on.

it was interesting that the one photo from the site showed the words to jimmy, including some of the stuff that maynard murmurs that aren't in the official lyrics. that's by far one of my favorite songs of theirs, lyric-wise. i'd love to read more interpretations (or comments from the band themselves) on this song.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]


Replies:

[> [> [> Re: whoa that's cool -- 23, 17:26:45 01/17/06 Tue [1]

Ask, and you shall receive:

http://toolnavy.com/index.php

and more specifically:

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=34902


Those forums run the gamut. They can be terribly insightful and also terribly retarded. Depending on the day and the subject and the members present.

(but I guess the same could be said of our little slice-o-the-net too, huh?)

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> [> [> [> Re: whoa that's cool -- chrys, 17:50:55 01/17/06 Tue [1]


whoa, what?

now i'm curious what your interpretation of that song is twan, since i know you like the lyrics a lot too, or once said something along those lines on our CC site.


see i always thought that song was about maynard sort of re-finding his eleven-year-old self, like going back and revisiting who he was, or whatever happened at that age. my original guess was that his mom died or something, cuz of the "eleven and she was gone, eleven is when we waved goodbye," but i know that's not true, either his mom is still alive or died recently or something, not when he was eleven. it still seems to me to be a going back, hence the dead ohio sky (we know he is from ohio), and just all those things like glow, child, glow, and so on. i could go into more detail, but what do you think? i hope i am not wrong, it is part of why i love the song, it's like there is such a tenderness in the words...

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: whoa that's cool -- 23, 09:05:29 01/18/06 Wed [1]

Well, I didn't really buy that interpretation either. Someone trying to impose meaning on it that didn't make sense to me.

I think it's more along the lines of what you were talking about.

But here's an idea of who the "she" is in the song:

The album is called Aenima. According to Carl Jung, the anima is the feminine side of a man's personal unconscious. We know that Maynard was sexually abused by his stepfather (I think it was stepfather, it may have been uncle). I wonder if that happened when he was eleven (and he did live in Ohio at the time), and at that time he said goodbye to that feminine, sensitive part of himself. He went to West Point after high school, not generally the place for young men who are in touch with their feminine. Maybe the song is about his journey back home (as an adult) to the place where he can reconnect with his anima.

(the "e" in Aenima is, in my opinion, an allusion to some later themes in the album about flushing away the filth in our modern world).

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: whoa that's cool -- chrys, 14:13:11 01/18/06 Wed [1]


wow, great interp.

i think you're on the right trak there, 23. i remember reading about the title aenima on toolshed, and how like the name of the album is pronounced ON-ima, as the jung word is, but the song (spelled aenema) is pronounced like enema. and the album seems to have a sort of theme along your same lines, like think about h, there's a sense of like facing some scary part of oneself and "open up my heart again." then there's 46&2 and all that stuff about the shadow (again, jungian). i always think of that album as pretty brave, if you know what i mean, and especially that song jimmy.

and yes it was his stepdad, he says so in some place where he talks about the song prison sex which is supposedly from his stepdad's perspective i think...? it has been a long time since i read all o that stuff on toolshed.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]





Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.