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Subject: Re: Not to hammer a point, but...


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Rodney Reel
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Date Posted: 13:53:22 05/10/01 Thu
In reply to: icky-icky 's message, "Re: Not to hammer a point, but..." on 07:38:13 05/10/01 Thu

It seems that we'll never see eye-to-eye on this, icky-icky. That's fine. At least I'm not a 14 year old who will shoot you for disagreeing with me. But anyway, I'm confused about how this kid is portrayed by the media. I've seen him described as a kid who gets Ds and Fs in school, and I've seen him called a popular honor roll student. I saw pictures of him, and I felt bad for him. I'm like, 'this kid is 14 for Christ's sake!' I mean, how can a kid that age be malicious? Then I hear about kids that are like 6 strangling each other or some whack-ass stuff like that, and I see the video of this kid ventilating his teacher. Some people argue that he shouldn't get life in prison because he's just a kid, and I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, is this kid bad or is he a product of society (which is such a psychological BS term these days it seems) that doesn't know any better and just thinks that guns are the answer. But I tell you what, if he doesn't get life in jail, would YOU want to be his teacher when he gets out? I sure as hell wouldn't. I used to want to teach kids, but not any more. They scare me.

But back to the argument, I'm sure this kid did have other issues. Me, in all of my layman's logic, think that he found the gun and thought, "wow, this is cool." And when he was faced with a problem, he associated the gun with a possible answer to his problem. He pulled a gun on a teacher that he liked because he felt that it would solve the problem. Despite all of these initiatives to stop kids from shooting each other and teachers, it still continues. Would this teacher be dead if we didn't have guns? Don't know. That kid sure might've found an unlicensed handgun lying around and shot him. But like I said before, I doubt that your average law-abiding joe would keep illegal guns in the house if they were banned. Again, just my own line of thinking. Maybe its just my underlying cynicism towards society causing me to think that we're incapable of teaching people their own responsibility. I'm not blaming the kid's action on television (I'm surprised that someone else hasn't brought this up because the kid said that he learned how to cock the slide on the gun by watching television.) or whatever kind of music he listened to, or anything else like that.

For all of my conservative sensibilities, I can't stand these Republican NRA assholes who get ignore the fact that kids are f-ing killing each other over Pokemon and other stuff. THAT, in my mind, are the people ignoring responsibility. They adhere to some notion that their precious piece-of-shit guns are so important to our American freedom that its just irrelevant if a few kids get killed. Its the parents' fault for not teaching them correctly. Yes, a lot of it comes down to parental responsibility, but I can be the best parent in the world and teach my kids that guns are never ever ever the answer to an argument, but where does that get me when someone else's kid shoots my child? "Sorry to hear that you're son was blasted away in kindergarden, Mr. Reel. But at least you were a good parent."

And this comes from a guy who is really into history and warfare and all that stuff. I've actually considered collecting weapons and stuff when I get older. But if giving up something like that would mean that there would be less kids getting killed, count me in.

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icky-icky
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Date Posted: 06:39:42 06/08/01 Fri

Resurrecting a recurring discussion:

Not trying to pick a fight but did you hear about the guy in Japan that stabbed 29 kids and killed 8 after he forced his way into a grade school?

Now, not to hammer a point, but he proves that anyone with a deranged mind and a desire to commit homicidal acts can do so, with or with out a gun. I think that this shows that the sickness is in a society and not in the inanimate
object known as the gun.

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Rodney Reel
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Date Posted: 06:52:08 06/08/01 Fri

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I agree with you: the world is full of nutcases and that guy could have very well rolled into school and beat kids to death with a steel dildo instead of stabbing them or getting a gun and shooting them.

When was the last time a kid walking down the street got accidentially killed in a gang stabbing? Lots of drive-by knifings these days? So we say that people are just going kill kids anyway so we might as well just let them have their guns?

Again, as I've said before, guns serve no productive purpose in society.

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Author:
Rob Base
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Date Posted: 07:06:07 06/08/01 Fri

Three redeeming qualities of guns:

Easy To Operate
Simple To Conceal
Quick Results

They are also longer range weapons, making the attacts less personal.

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