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Date Posted: 14:53:40 10/20/08 Mon
Author: page down a bit
Subject: Whoa - big discussion on the GB board about how the boys 'have it so easy' ... http://www.voy.com/174296/
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I'm not going there, but in all honesty, I have seen that boys seem to have it easier getting their foot in the door, but when it comes down to it, the boys have to dance just as well as the girls. The talent is simply amazing on both chromosomes. Would it be easier (while still being honest) to just qualify it that way? -- .., 23:45:57 10/20/08 Mon [1]
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A voice of reason! I would agree that it is easier for the boys to move up thru the ranks early on. But once they get to championships, they have to prove themselves over and over just like everyone else. -- Irishmama, 04:23:13 10/21/08 Tue [1]
I also think that most of the boys who remain in dance are the ones that are really talented. Prelims often causes the ones who are marginal to quit-it is just too hard to place against all the girls. If they stick it out and make it to champs, they are generally fine dancers.
I think most of our boys welcome competition, they cant be held responsible for smaller comps-its just the sheer numbers.
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We have had a different experience. In our region, the boys dance against the girls.... -- it is what it is, 11:28:42 10/21/08 Tue [1]
and I have never seen my boys get any 'boy points'. They struggle their way up like the girls. (But, if there are any known judges out there who give them, pleae let me know. My son has been in Novice Reel for two YEARS and could use a first - LOL!). But, when you go to Oirechtas and the top 10 dancers go to Nationals, and, there are only 8 boys....yeah, it's easier to qualify.
I think it is a different experience for the boys than the girls. And, that's OK! They all work hard.
And, I have sort of ashamed to say it, but, I am sort of a dance mom snob when it comes to other sports my boys have played. I see parents cheering wildly while their son gets 4 balls in the dirt and take a walk in baseball. I just sort of shake my head compared to what I see kids do every week at dance...leaping across the room, kicking to their head, etc.
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That has not been our experience. -- DSDad, 07:12:34 10/21/08 Tue [1]
My son has been competing for about 2 years now. I have not seen a bias either against or for him. I am constantly told by many of the moms that the boys have it easier. This gets a bit old since I have no results to back up this opinion. Don't misunderstand, I think the judges are very fair and score him about right. I seem to see more bias based on the name of the dance school kids belong to than I do based on gender.
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Having crossed over to the dark side by going on a rant a few months back on another MB on the boy vs girl thing, I have -- just a mom of a dancer, 09:18:35 10/21/08 Tue [1]
vowed not to get upset about this topic. I was way off the deep end and thinking back, I'm not sure how (or why) I got so out of control over it! Lessons learned, I now accept the fact that yes, there are less boys so not as much competition as far as numbers, but there are some pretty fantastic male dancers out there. The number of dancers in a comp shouldn't take away from any dancer's successes. I refuse to accept my ds is where he is because he's a boy. I've seen many other boy's he's danced with in past years still a level or two behind and many girls he's danced with right up there with him now. So when I attended a feis this summer and heard another feis dad sitting behind me telling another "newbie" parent that the boy doing the treble reel (not my son) would get "boy points" and then went on to explain what boy points were, I just ignored it...and was much happier at the end of the day rather than getting steamed about it. I'm not out to change anyone's opinion on this topic, just trying to enjoy my child's extracurricular activity.
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I think if there are ever "boy points" in a champ comp, it is just a placement - not a top three as most kids are looking for. -- the boys that beat 30 kids, boys OR girls, are the ones that deserve to win, 03:47:45 10/22/08 Wed [1]
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m dancer -- mum, 07:24:52 10/22/08 Wed [1]
My response is the % of placements are the same. Maybe smaller comps all together, but smaller % place. So you may have 150 at regionals and we may have 20-50 depending on the region, but actuallity is that more girls recall than the boys. (girls top 70 perhaps and guys top 12+/-).
I also go on to mention that he's dances w/girls when he goes to different regions and he still places high and wins dance offs, not because he's a guy, but because he works hard. Alot of the guys at championship level are truely dedicated because the peir pressure of their choice of activity puts them in the direct line of fire of being different. If the boys have endured that, they love what they do w/all their hearts. That is what makes them stand out. I am glad not to deal w/the make up and the dresses. I am proud of my son as they should be proud of their daughters for following his heart and his dreams. Dont let them spoil it for any of us.
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Thanks, I agree so much with your comments! -- ---, 08:39:04 10/22/08 Wed [1]
I got wrapped up in all the boy versus girls stuff for a VERY short while, but it was really casting a shadow on the real joy of watching my DS do something he LOVES. Life is too short to dwell on the negative side of things...so I can only glance quickly at some of the other boards then I have to exit due to some of the comments on everything, not just the boy thing. Go boys and girls!
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Oooohhh...you said 'Go boys and girls!'. Why did you put boys first?? Huh? Huh?? You hate girls and love boy points. So there! j/k -- *chuckle*, 10:15:41 10/22/08 Wed [1]
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Yes and I had it the other way first then changed it..ha ha! -- LOL, 10:21:13 10/22/08 Wed [1]
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figures! ya just can't please everyone -- .., 17:23:44 10/22/08 Wed [1]
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A big smile is all you need to get the boys points -- let's be honest here, 16:51:25 10/22/08 Wed [1]
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Okay no you're wrong. My DS is in OPW and has come home from THREE feiseanna with no placements. He smiled while dancing but he was not the best dancer that day. So NO a smile is NOT all a boy needs -- ecr mom to a ds and dd, 20:34:33 10/22/08 Wed [1]
He needs, timing, rhythm, posture, straight legs, confidence, attack, good lifts, straight arms & closed hands...all the things the girls need.
So NO a smile is not all a boy needs.
No such things as boy points.
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Just my 2 cents....my ds is very quick to recognize a better dancer, guy or girl, and quicker to compliment them. He has no control over the results -- he loves stiff comps though, 05:01:02 10/23/08 Thu [1]
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My DS has moved very quickly with great placements and hardly ever smiles, so I credit that to good dancing. -- So I disagree with your theory, but thanks for the kind comment anyway., 05:11:21 10/23/08 Thu [1]
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Our TC has been trying to get my ds to smile for years! Even with a very serious expression he has managed to place very high in his region, and qualify for Worlds at the Nationals. Wow, maybe if he smiled... LOL. I agree wholeheartedly with the above poster. My dancer regonizes that there will always be better dancers, both male and female. -- Irishmama, 05:46:43 10/23/08 Thu [1]
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Funny...we have never gotten a comment 'smile bigger', Just the 'arms' and 'cross' variety... -- !, 08:53:00 10/23/08 Thu [1]
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Here is my approach: I know how hard my son works for his placing-it looks easy to observer who can say boy pants, but the hours he practices is what does it for him. So, truthfully I don't care if 90% of the people think it's boy points. I truly dont care what anyone thinks and if there were a thosand posts on mbs because I know the truth. -- people what you want, I dont care, 08:22:21 10/24/08 Fri [1]
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OMG, so sorry for all my typos, meant to say believe what you want, and boy points, not pants. Must not have had enough coffee this morning for these freaky typos! -- apologies, 08:23:57 10/24/08 Fri [1]
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LMAO - reading your post made me think, "I need another tea cuz I'm not understanding this post!" -- mom of a ds, 13:13:15 10/24/08 Fri [1]
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