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Date Posted: 10:19:42 07/20/08 Sun
Author: Jeannine
Subject: One of these things is not like the other.
The first caused universal outrage:
The second, from Rolling Stone Mag last month, no reaction at all. In fact, I would bet a lot of people never saw it:
I have opinions about it (I always do!) but will wait and see if anyone is interested in a discussion.
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Can you tell me if the second one was -- LAwoman, 13:50:52 07/20/08 Sun [1]
on a cover like the first one? I just looked at my last few months of Rolling Stone and haven't seen it yet.
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and to Josie - One more note -- Jeannine, 10:36:03 07/21/08 Mon [1]
Josie - I have to disagree with part of your post. I don't believe for a minute that the Republicans deserve all the credit for vitriol --- wasn't it Hillary who said, "he isn't Muslim.... that I KNOW OF". Once again, say anything, do anything to get elected.
As far as promoting the fear of all things Islamic that THIS ADMINISTRATION wants, I don't believe that to be true at all. There is plenty to fear, there is plenty of good. The solution: become informed and form your own opinion. I think you may have done that - and I don't mean that personally, but I see a difference between vigilance and fear. Blaming this administration for anything and everything is simply an echo of the media talking.
and, by the way, if I see one more picture of Obama with a halo, I will throw up.
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Re: and to Josie - One more note -- JosieJ, 03:20:49 07/22/08 Tue [1]
Josie - I have to disagree with part of your post. I don't believe for a minute that the Republicans deserve all the credit for vitriol --- wasn't it Hillary who said, "he isn't Muslim.... that I KNOW OF". Once again, say anything, do anything to get elected.
I never said that the Reps were the only ones attacking - I said that it was what I heard from "many" vitriolic Republicans, which is the God's honest truth. I find what Hillary said abhorrant, and that kind of lowlife politicking is why I dreaded the thought of her on the ticket.
As far as promoting the fear of all things Islamic that THIS ADMINISTRATION wants, I don't believe that to be true at all. There is plenty to fear, there is plenty of good. The solution: become informed and form your own opinion. I think you may have done that - and I don't mean that personally, but I see a difference between vigilance and fear. Blaming this administration for anything and everything is simply an echo of the media talking.
I have indeed educated myself and formed my own opinion, and based on the war- and fear-mongering that I have seen since 9/11/2001 from this administration, I DO believe that. The strategic elevation of "terror alerts", the predictions(/threats) during the last elections that if a Dem got into office that we'd all die from Islamic terrorist attacks on our land... the fact that peaceful Muslims (yes, there ARE more than a few out there) are subject to hate crimes and detention and distrust... That Saddam was the ultimate enemy of the US and must be immediately stopped, no matter the cost to the lives of American soldiers and their families - fear has been a constant tool of our government. And it's insidious.
and, by the way, if I see one more picture of Obama with a halo, I will throw up.
Heh heh heh - you're not the only one!!! ☮
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So glad you didn't take offense -- Jeannine, 07:17:47 07/22/08 Tue [1]
I am so very tired of hatred and division and political bigotry - on both sides... Now, in addition to being a hate mongering, war-lovin' ReTHUGlican I am also a racist - simply because I am not voting for St. Obama.
If I seem testy, well, that may be why.
I love constructive discussion... and it is very hard to come by these days. I have some opinions on your opinions (LOL) and will try to get back soon to discuss them, time is something I am short of these days.
As for the halo pics - God! How stupid do these people think we are??????
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I'm in line with LAwoman -- JosieJ, 03:45:47 07/21/08 Mon [1]
I don't subscribe to RS anymore, so I have not seen or heard of that second 'cartoon'. It definitely deserves as much outrage as the first one did, but a different kind. It's just out and out barbaric - to exploit what was probably the most horrific time in McCain's life is cruel. There's nothing funny about that.
On the other hand, I find nothing funny about the NYer cover (the fact that it's the cover adds to my outrage) and find that it feeds into the basest, most ignorant "fears" of what I see from the minds of many vitriolic republicans. Many people out there still believe that Obama IS a Muslim (despite his very public proof of long-time attendance at a CHRISTIAN church), and wrongly tie that into the feeling of paranoia of anything Islamic just as this administration wants them to.
I believe 110% in the freedom of speech and the press, but neither of these cartoons should have ever seen the light of day.
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Re: I'm in line with LAwoman -- Jeannine, 10:15:00 07/21/08 Mon [1]
Thank God ya'll feel that way. For the record, it was in last month's Rolling Stone - at least online, I don't subscribe, but here is a link to the article - Full Metal McCain, from June.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain
The McCain cartoon also manages to work in racial stereotypes, what with the slanted eyes. It is disgusting. Say what you will about McCain, but ridiculing the years he spent as a POW is beneath contempt.
I think it is absolutely horrible what people will do - all in the name of getting their candidate elected. Politics sucks, and the media sucks. Just give me the FACTS and let me make up my own mind.
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