| Subject: Re: Bin Ladin unwise to call this a religious war |
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Bryain
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Date Posted: 19:41:01 11/14/02 Thu
In reply to:
Mark
's message, "Bin Ladin unwise to call this a religious war" on 23:41:03 11/03/01 Sat
>It is foolish for Bin Ladin to call for a religious
>war with "Christians" or for a war "with the West."
>The danger is that the West and Christians will agree
>that is the war. In raw terms, the "West" and
>"Christians" could completely obliterate the Muslim
>world in a "real war".
>The folly of Bin Ladin is a believe that the West does
>not have the stomach for war. The history of the West
>is the history of war, genocidal, massive destructive
>wars, for thousands of years. Thus, the worse mistake
>possible would be actually convince either the
>"Western Christian" world or the Muslim and Middle
>Eastern world that this is "War".
>
>The reliance of Bin Ladin, of course, is that the West
>will not REALLY go to war, rather to a police action.
>
>There are a few other foolish mistakes of Bin Ladin
>and his radical followers. The West is entirely
>disinterested in "religion" and in general religion is
>only a minor subset in the view of most Westerns. No
>Christians want any war over religion, they just don't
>care that much about it. Again, the Muslim world
>should be glad that Christians and Jews do not want a
>religious war. Afterall, Muslims took by war and hold
>the original sites of Western Christianity (Haga
>Sopia) and of Jews (the temple). And neither make any
>attempt to take either back.
>
>Bin Ladin probably could appeal to "Arab" and "Muslim"
>pride far more successfully, than religious reasons.
>
>The other element of radical Muslims seeking a holy
>war with the West is to fail to understand the West is
>highly sophisticated in "war" - dragging it on forever
>in nearly unfathomably complex mixes of economics,
>politics, brokering, loans, military machines, covert
>and overt actions of all kinds - THIS is how the West
>prevails.
>
>He truly fails to understand that the USA is a mongrel
>socieity - race and religion - of every imaginable
>kind, and in many ways proud of it's "melting pot"
>culture. There in lies the real power of the USA even
>over the rest of the West. The USA has the strengths
>(and knowledge) of every culture and every religion -
>therefore on every level can reach into every part of
>the world.
>
>Bin Ladin is a dinasaur - calling for a Muslim crusade
>against the West - a crusade brought to a standstill
>by the French at the Battle of Tours and then, in the
>aftermath of WWII was won by the West for reasons of
>economics - religion irrelevant. The Muslim world can
>not win a religious war or a war with the West, any
>more than it can win a war with the whole world.
>
>Bin Ladin talks of unfairness - for which the American
>motto is "life is unfair, deal with it"... The real
>problem high profile terrorists cause the Muslim world
>is it prohibits Muslims from gaining any power outside
>the Muslim world. There are thousands and thousands of
>African, Jewish, Asian, European, and South/Central
>American surnamed government officials, judges,
>executives and every other position of power in the
>USA, but virtual none of Arab surnamed - because
>people just "feel' like they are "foreign" in negative
>ways.
>
>This keeps the Muslim world from having REAL influence
>in the West and the USA. So, instead, we bomb
>terrorists, while breaking the oil cartel in the
>process, and again become the power broker in the mix
>of vastly superior military, economic and political
>power the USA possesses.
>
>Bin Ladin, candidly, also was premature. Apparently he
>lacked the resources for serious, sustained terrorist
>attacks - rather just enough to keep the West and USA
>fired up enough to engage in a war. To understand the
>difference in "might" between the USA and the Taliban,
>for example, is to understand that while the Taliban
>now fights for it's very existence, the "war" is only
>a topic for discussion for most Americans - little
>other effect on our lives at all.
>
>The real power of the West in Central Asia and the
>Middle East is in the perpetual chaos there. With the
>USA, virtually every Western, Asian, Russia, China,
>India and Middle East country now in this conflict,
>the chaos continues.
>
>Finally, this "WE ARE MUSLIMS!!" cry coming from the
>poorest regions in the world, has much to do with why
>it remains poor - and poor nations are inherently weak
>nations.
>The Islam religion as practiced (or sold) in the
>Middle East and Asia has been reduced to a religion of
>ignorance, bigotry and failure - where in it's glory
>years it was a religion of tolerance, scientific and
>economic genious, and study.
>
>Wearing 16th century clothing, following exorbitantly
>oppressive treatment of women, demanding people follow
>religion blindly and stupidly as sheep - all block the
>education and advancement of the culture and society.
>It is guarenteed failure, poverty and inferior status
>in the world. Then, such as Bin Ladin, roar angrily
>that life is unfair because 400 year old social,
>economic and ideological practices no longer work.
>
>But, on the bottomline, the worst reality for the
>Muslim world would be if the Christian West decide
>this really is a war between "Us" and "Arabs". If
>anyone questions the West will fight a savage war,
>study our war history. We destroy entire cities in a
>single day, battles with daily causualties into the
>thousands, and total war production of weapons at
>astronomical rates.
>
>And, notably, tonight, an poll showed that 57% of
>Americans now favor using nuclear weapons against the
>Taliban, over 60% favor total war against Saddam
>Hussein, and over 70% favor blocking all Arab visas
>and visitors to the USA. This is not a defeat of the
>USA - but a disaster for the Arab Muslim world.
>
>The USA, Russia, China, "the West", are, once again,
>figuring how they will manipulate and divide up this
>region of the unstable, dangerous Muslim world to keep
>it in check in "balances of power" between the
>factions. Those who follow Bin Ladin's reasoning are
>just fools.
>
>Bin Ladin and those of his views are the worst enemies
>Muslim Arabs have.
I think Bin Ladin is stupid
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