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Subject: for older baby boomers: phy ed coaches???


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Coolidge (phy ed coach temperemnt)
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Date Posted: 10:15:45 08/06/14 Wed

I went thru high school in the early 60's---It seemed to me that in both jr high and sr high---the phy ed coaches were kind of the same temperment---controlling---very militaristic and prone to spank or paddle more than any other teachers. Do others recall similar phy ed coaches who had this temperment??? I am not saying they were evil or abusive---just more prone to the characteristics--I have outlined above----Would apprecaite any comments or inputs???

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Gary (coaches--my prejudice)
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Date Posted: 17:43:15 01/19/15 Mon

Our jr and senior high ph ed coaches seemed mean -- I went to high scvhool a long while ago--so it was at the height of the Communist scare and our coach was as anti communist as one could be----So I recall unending obstacles courses--calesthenics etc--so as to be ready if the Communists attacked our small rural town----He also seemed to like to paddle guys bare butts in the locker room---I guess a real tough butt was especailly feared by our communist enemies--and beleive me--after having him as coach more than one yr---our paddled butts were the toughest plus alot of sore butts---We were never attacked----so perhaps he saved our small Minnesota farm town from inniliation--Our butts sure felt it! Behind his irrational fear of communists--I think he enjoyed paddling teen bare butts

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David
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Date Posted: 16:40:16 04/25/15 Sat

I was in an all boy Health Class in 1966 in Junior High; the teacher was one of the PE teachers. This was in L.A., believe it or not. In those days administrators (boy's vice principals) could paddle boys, but teachers weren't supposed to do it. This teacher did, though, at least two or three times every class. And every single boy in that class got a swat at least once. They were over pants, but he used a paddle tennis paddle and swung hard. It hurt like hell. I was a little bit "turned on" by spanking and paddling accounts (my own father spanked us very little) before this, so this whole ten week experience was highly tantalizing for me.

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Stan
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Date Posted: 13:21:55 01/11/16 Mon

David, I'm an older baby boomer. I attended high school in the very early 1960s. Some of my experiences were virtually identical to those you described in your post. I almost wonder if we might have had the same P.E. teacher since we both went to school in L.A.? Or is it just that the job tended to attract men with a predilection for dominating and disciplining teenage boys?

One of my P.E. teachers in high school used a paddle to discipline students. Although I'm not very knowledgeable regarding the various types of paddles, I seem to recall that the coach's paddle was somewhat rounded like a ping-pong paddle. Hardly a gym class went by without at least 2 or 3 boys getting a taste of his paddle. Punitive swats were dished out on the flimsiest of pretexts. And I doubt any boy in my class managed to entirely escape the sting of the coach's paddle.

P.E. was, admittedly, not one of my strong points, but I was a quiet, well-behaved student. So I never expected to have a "close encounter" with the coach's paddle. However, one time, the coach was giving us instruction in wrestling. He told us to put our wrestling partner in a "half-nelson" position. Suddenly, I heard the coach call out my last name. He told me I had put my partner in a "full-nelson" position (I didn't even know what the difference was.) He said my mistake could have caused serious injury to my partner and that I needed to be punished for not following his instructions. He ordered me to stand in front of the class, bend over, and place my hands on my knees. I was a very shy student, and I was already embarrassed by being singled out for punishment, but I worried whether I would be able to take the punishment without crying, which would cause me to lose face in front of my classmates. When his paddle finally struck my ass, it practically knocked the wind out of me. It hurt like hell! Even though I was wearing gym shorts, I was surprised at how painful that swat felt. I had witnessed a lot of other boys receiving swats in the past, but until I had gotten one myself, I had no idea how much it really hurt. I now wonder whether the coach didn't think he'd ever get another opportunity to use his paddle on me so he gave me an exceptionally hard swat to make it memorable (which it was). I'm thankful he only gave me a single swat. I managed to take it in silence. But if he had chosen to give me a half dozen swats in a row, THAT might have reduced me to tears.

There was another guy in my gym class who seemed to get swats with the coach's paddle all the time. He was the "class clown", and he was always horsing around. For example, he would talk to other classmates while the coach was addressing the entire class. This earned him frequent encounters with the paddle, sometimes more than once during a single class period. I even wonder whether he had a masochistic streak in him and had deliberately provoked the coach into using the paddle on him.

One day, that student had already gotten several swats with the coach's paddle when the coach did something that shocked us all. [This is the honest truth. I'm not making it up, even though it seemed almost surreal at the time.] The coach lowered a couple of the gymnastic rings that were suspended from the ceiling. They had been buckled together with a wide black garrison belt. I have no idea why that belt was there. However, I had sometimes seen the coach wearing a wide garrison belt, which was quite a turn-on for me, as I associated garrison belts with masculinity. The coach unbuckled the garrison belt, removed it from the rings, and then doubled the belt over ominously. He then ordered the troublesome student to bend over.

Suddenly, a deathly silence came over the entire class. We "knew" what was going to happen next. The coach then proceeded to give that student several lashes with the garrison belt. I practically "creamed" in my gym shorts as, even at that tender age, I already had fantasies about getting a whipping with a garrison belt. I don't know if I had imagined it, but I seem to recall hearing an audible gasp (of horror) from the entire class in unison each time we heard the terrifying sound of that heavy leather belt striking the student's ass. Were we all thinking the same thought? That one of us might be the next student to get punished with that belt, which, in our minds, was far more to be feared than the paddle. However, I never saw that leather belt being used again for punishment in my gym class. Perhaps, seeing it used that one time had put the "fear of God" into us all.

Years later, long after I had graduated from high school, I was watching the TV news and there was a news segment about my high school. I was surprised to learn from it that my sadistic P.E. teacher was now the boys' vice-principal at the school! I can only speculate what disciplinary measures troublesome boys might have been subjected to in the privacy of the V.P.'s office.

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Author:
Edward
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Date Posted: 15:38:12 03/09/16 Wed

>David, I'm an older baby boomer. I attended high
>school in the very early 1960s. Some of my experiences
>were virtually identical to those you described in
>your post. I almost wonder if we might have had the
>same P.E. teacher since we both went to school in
>L.A.? Or is it just that the job tended to attract men
>with a predilection for dominating and disciplining
>teenage boys?
>
>One of my P.E. teachers in high school used a paddle
>to discipline students. Although I'm not very
>knowledgeable regarding the various types of paddles,
>I seem to recall that the coach's paddle was somewhat
>rounded like a ping-pong paddle. Hardly a gym class
>went by without at least 2 or 3 boys getting a taste
>of his paddle. Punitive swats were dished out on the
>flimsiest of pretexts. And I doubt any boy in my class
>managed to entirely escape the sting of the coach's
>paddle.
>
>P.E. was, admittedly, not one of my strong points, but
>I was a quiet, well-behaved student. So I never
>expected to have a "close encounter" with the coach's
>paddle. However, one time, the coach was giving us
>instruction in wrestling. He told us to put our
>wrestling partner in a "half-nelson" position.
>Suddenly, I heard the coach call out my last name. He
>told me I had put my partner in a "full-nelson"
>position (I didn't even know what the difference was.)
> He said my mistake could have caused serious injury
>to my partner and that I needed to be punished for not
>following his instructions. He ordered me to stand in
>front of the class, bend over, and place my hands on
>my knees. I was a very shy student, and I was already
>embarrassed by being singled out for punishment, but I
>worried whether I would be able to take the punishment
>without crying, which would cause me to lose face in
>front of my classmates. When his paddle finally struck
>my ass, it practically knocked the wind out of me. It
>hurt like hell! Even though I was wearing gym shorts,
>I was surprised at how painful that swat felt. I had
>witnessed a lot of other boys receiving swats in the
>past, but until I had gotten one myself, I had no idea
>how much it really hurt. I now wonder whether the
>coach didn't think he'd ever get another opportunity
>to use his paddle on me so he gave me an exceptionally
>hard swat to make it memorable (which it was). I'm
>thankful he only gave me a single swat. I managed to
>take it in silence. But if he had chosen to give me a
>half dozen swats in a row, THAT might have reduced me
>to tears.
>
>There was another guy in my gym class who seemed to
>get swats with the coach's paddle all the time. He was
>the "class clown", and he was always horsing around.
>For example, he would talk to other classmates while
>the coach was addressing the entire class. This earned
>him frequent encounters with the paddle, sometimes
>more than once during a single class period. I even
>wonder whether he had a masochistic streak in him and
>had deliberately provoked the coach into using the
>paddle on him.
>
>One day, that student had already gotten several swats
>with the coach's paddle when the coach did something
>that shocked us all. [This is the honest truth. I'm
>not making it up, even though it seemed almost surreal
>at the time.] The coach lowered a couple of the
>gymnastic rings that were suspended from the ceiling.
>They had been buckled together with a wide black
>garrison belt. I have no idea why that belt was there.
>However, I had sometimes seen the coach wearing a wide
>garrison belt, which was quite a turn-on for me, as I
>associated garrison belts with masculinity. The coach
>unbuckled the garrison belt, removed it from the
>rings, and then doubled the belt over ominously. He
>then ordered the troublesome student to bend over.
>
>Suddenly, a deathly silence came over the entire
>class. We "knew" what was going to happen next. The
>coach then proceeded to give that student several
>lashes with the garrison belt. I practically "creamed"
>in my gym shorts as, even at that tender age, I
>already had fantasies about getting a whipping with a
>garrison belt. I don't know if I had imagined it, but
>I seem to recall hearing an audible gasp (of horror)
>from the entire class in unison each time we heard the
>terrifying sound of that heavy leather belt striking
>the student's ass. Were we all thinking the same
>thought? That one of us might be the next student to
>get punished with that belt, which, in our minds, was
>far more to be feared than the paddle. However, I
>never saw that leather belt being used again for
>punishment in my gym class. Perhaps, seeing it used
>that one time had put the "fear of God" into us all.
>
>Years later, long after I had graduated from high
>school, I was watching the TV news and there was a
>news segment about my high school. I was surprised to
>learn from it that my sadistic P.E. teacher was now
>the boys' vice-principal at the school! I can only
>speculate what disciplinary measures troublesome boys
>might have been subjected to in the privacy of the
>V.P.'s office.


I was paddled by the coach as were my team mates It was very common in my era and part ofthe counrty.We were paddled on the bare butt and it hurt and it might well be in front of other temamates or it might be in his office. In any case I saw guys cry and I will admit i cryed as much as I did not want to-- I also heard the typical spank-pleading as I did myself-- at ages 16 or 17. I even saw a big strong guy and a great football player pee down his own leg when he was getting it. As I look back that kind of stuff--It was too much.I like the other guys just took it as it was so accepted== but I hope we have come further in the last generation. It was just too harsh. We got itfrom our coach but other teachers-- (even some small women) taught with excellent discipline and never raised a hand to us. I am not going to go out and join non spanking groups-- or make a big deal but since this poll is here I just wanted to voice my opinion. May I ask one question-- how many guys who got public paddlings wherein they either cryed in front of teammates or were reduced to childlike pleas (or peed)-- would endorse this for their sons? It is my guess that guys who were really humiliated would not be for spanking.

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David W
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Date Posted: 14:29:04 10/06/16 Thu

I'm later baby boomer but paddling by PE coaches in the 70s and early 80s was still common when I was in junior high and high school. Paddling for boys in schools was also common as well as getting spanked at home. I was spanked at home in my teens until 17 and the same for my brothers. So getting paddled in PE class was not a surprise.

I never thought that the coaches were sadistic in their punishment of us. They were just no-nonsense men and almost all of them were military veterans. Korea, Vietnam, definitely and maybe even WWII for the older coaches. And they were not alone in thinking that corporal punishment was a good thing and ought to be used often. My parents thought that way too. I grew up on or near military bases and maintaining order was a big deal with our parents, schools, and just about everybody else. I knew no boys who didn't get their butts spanked at home.

I got paddled in school a good amount, mostly by teachers or principals, but in gym class, coaches were quick to act against any kid who was screwing around, disobeying or not following directions or class rules. Our coaches didn't use detention, even though that was an option. They just paddled us on the spot or in the locker room.

Others here have talked about bare butt paddlings and that happened in two ways. One, if we were screwing around in the showers or already undressed and, two, if the coach felt that we needed a gym shorts down paddling to set an example. It was more common for us to get paddled in our gym shorts than bare but I got it bare more a few times. As anyone from that time knows, getting paddled in gym shorts is not any different than getting paddled in underwear only. Jockstraps were mandatory so getting swats with or without gym shorts was about the same result. Nudity or partial nudity was not considered a problem for our coaches, schools or parents. Getting paddled bare butt while wearing a jockstrap was not considered nudity at all.

It also wouldn't have occurred to me to complain about getting a paddling, bare or otherwise, fair or not, as I was likely to get a paddling or strapping at home for getting in trouble at school.

I got my first PE paddling on the second day of class in junior high after switching schools and not following the PE uniform rules as the coach had told the class the day before (I wasn't wearing the required jock). Got it bare butt in the locker room. I also got caught, along with others, in what the coach called horseplay in the showers, which was a regular event that the coaches watched out for. Horseplay was usually pushing, shoving, tossing soap at someone or whatever some coach thought was dangerous or against his class rules. Our coaches were strict about PE uniforms, orderly conduct, and anything that looked like fighting or pranks.

The PE coaches were also our team coaches for sports, which I played. Same thing. Paddling for uniforms, screwing around, and not listening. Got bent over and paddled on the football field a few times for missing a play or whatever the coach thought that I was not doing right. That was a standard way of getting and keeping our attention. That was not even considered disciplinary. It was just coaching and a way of keeping us focused. Sure enough, I was back on the field with a scorched butt but focused after a couple of hard paddle swats. Didn't have to drop our football pants for swats out on the field, but those football pants were about the same as wearing gym shorts only.

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Stan
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Date Posted: 14:15:18 10/19/16 Wed

I was a very early baby boomer. I was in high school in the early 1960s. I don't recall ever witnessing any corporal punishment being administered in junior high school. However, as I reported in an earlier post, things were quite different in high school. It seemed to depend on which gym teacher you had. One of my gym teachers, the oldest coach there, I never saw him administer any corporal punishment. Some other gym teachers may have used paddling only sparingly, if at all. I only recall them, now and then, ordering a student to run a few extra laps around the track as a disciplinary measure.

However, one gym teacher I had, probably the youngest coach, resorted to the use of the paddle at virtually every class session, as I reported in my first post dealing with this topic. No one graduated from his class with his ass unscathed. No student, no matter how well-behaved he was, could escape the sharp sting of the coach's paddle. The coach could always find some excuse, no matter how flimsy, for disciplining someone. From my one "close encounter " with his paddle, I can testify that gym shorts provided very little protection from the sting of the coach's paddle. I noticed your post reported a similar experience.

I think we were all indoctrinated at the time to accept public paddlings as a normal part of the educational process in gym classes. I like the way you put it: to keep the student "focused". In my school, at least, paddling was never done in other classes, possibly because there were girls present in those classes. Any misbehaving boys in those classes would be sent to the Boys Vice-Principal's Office, and one could only guess what punishments were administered behind the closed door of his office.

I doubt any student ever registered an "official complaint" about the gym paddlings at that time. And, indeed, I honestly believe that, in some cases, there may have been a positive benefit to subjecting a student to a paddling in front of his classmates. What better way to tame the over-inflated ego of a teenage boy than by subjecting him to the humiliation of a public paddling. And I'm sure that those teachers who used paddlings sparingly honestly believed it was a legitimate educational tool.

Considering I'm a gay male with an interest in S&M, I still get "horny" when I recall those distant memories of corporal punishment in high school. However, in spite of that, I have no doubt that the gym teacher who used his paddle without restraint (no pun originally intended), was a homosexual pedophile and a sadist. When I went to my 20-year high school reunion, I was reminiscing with one of my former classmates (who was presumably straight). He had the same sadistic coach for his classes in gymnastics, and he still recalled the painful paddlings he had received from the coach. And I'm sure he was a well-behaved student. Thinking about that conversation now, I am surprised that he still thought of those paddlings as a normal male rite-of-passage. I guess if one is straight, it is difficult to think of it in any other way.

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David W.
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Date Posted: 07:21:47 10/21/16 Fri

I agree. One thing that our coaches had going for them that gave them a lot of discretion with corporal punishment was that they were still authority figures and parents, especially dads, wouldn't have questioned their authority or decisions off the playing field. Almost all dads still spanked when I was a kid and wouldn't have objected to a coach spanking their kids at all. In fact, there was an expectation that coaches should discipline boys promptly and as often as needed. There was no idea that discipline in the way of several hard swats with a paddle was a bad thing to do. That normal male rite-of-passage idea that you mentioned was very true. Getting our butts paddled was masculine in those years and was no different than the hazing than older kids did to younger kids in junior high and high school.

It also helped that we looked up to our coaches and that they were not usually mean or bad people. There were a few that were scarier than others, but they could be encouraging to us and help us out too. Even a coach that paddled me one day might be a great coach to me the next day. Any resentment that I had about being paddled didn't last. I think that some coaches were smart enough to know that giving encouragement later to a kid that they had disciplined was better coaching.

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