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Subject: perfect.... is still in aplication... Author: Don [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07/ 3/02 5:35am In reply to: Biff 's message, "Interesting thoughts, Don" on 07/ 2/02 9:35pm By a perfect circle I mean one with an absolutely equal radius at each (potentially infinite) degree of measurement. ----------------- This exist in your imagination only. It is OK. You can never show that. Or put it this way. The last I heard someone ran pie out to a couple of million places befor the computer blew up or quit. So good luck to you. If you find the end of pie, you will be a millionair and your name recorded for ever in human history. Untill then it is a dream at best. Go for it. You do not mean “perfect” do you? Or what you are talking about is “intrinsic beauty”. Perfect is an application for a use of some kind. Beauty has NO use except for enjoyment as in “art” and these ideas are subjective. The human mind sees pictures of galaxies and we say --oh that beautiful ( and it is) but is it perfect? See my point? Again I show you a rock, is it a beautiful rock or is it a perfect rock? So we find out what it is made of, does it become more perfect or more beautiful? It becomes more beautiful. It will not become perfect until it has use. Perfect beauty for you? OK but we are back to art. Now if the rock is very large and I give it to you and it is GOLD is it more perfect? Yes because now you see a use for it. Can something be beautiful and be perfect at the same time YES. It has a use and it is beautiful to look at. To say a perfect god is to say a “use” or a comparative application. To say god is perfect there must be non-perfect gods. This is the way words and ideas work, Biff. You can not get out of it. So how many non-perfect gods are there that do not work for your use? OK lets try Zeus--stop right here, you must first recognize Zeus as a god in order to make a comparison. You do not recognize Zeus as a god then pick an other, you come right back to the same place or do you want to be silly. Ok what is the use of your perfect god? And for every use you mention I can show another so called god that can do the same. Now where are you? Back to your imagination. That is OK .... not being hateful here but god can be beautiful in your imagination. This is fine with me. God can be perfect for you as a guide to direct your life. But I can show where this same “named god” has not directed life so well, now what? Your perfection is to you and the beauty is to you... This is called subjectivity..... Subjectivity is not necessarily reality. Beauty and art is totally subjective. What is perfect has to be shown. And even being subjective and calling the sensations of beauty and calling these feeling “perfect” you are saying you will never feel any better than that---as COMPARED-- to the last time you felt beauty. I am not against a person feeling beauty inside themselves be it a god idea or in art. If they want to call what they feel “perfect beauty” then fine. Who can argue? Not me. BUT when you say every one should live up to your subjective perfect beauty then you have a big problem. You can not even describe what your feelings of perfect beauty are let alone get others to agree. In the external (out side of the mind or spirit) world beauty does not exist. But perfection does and we all can agree by the results in its “application”. A car tire can be perfect as to “not” have one flat side, if you get my point. Perfection is relative. Many have said that the only way that god exist is in subjectivity. Your personal experience that is real and of value to you. No two people will experience exactly the same thing. Call it genetics if you want. We can describe this experience by using comparative words and expression of ideas but the actual experience can not be shared, even in romantic love. Just the way life is Biff. We are one of a kind. If we are lonely and need help then a “:personal” god that you find or create can be of value to you, and hence beautiful. I wish you well Biff. Nice talking to you. Don [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date To clarify Biff 07/ 3/02 11:10pm Yes I brought up “beauty” ... -- Don, 07/ 4/02 1:49am