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Ben
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Date Posted: 06/20/05 12:46pm
In reply to:
Wade A. Tisthammer
's message, "Living in examination." on 06/20/05 10:53am
>Not at all. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but
>nobody's perfect; and that includes being morally
>perfect. "All have sinned and fall short" as the old
>Bible verse goes. So we're not sinful merely because
>of what some legendary Adam and Eve did, we're sinful
>through our own actions. Some liberal theologians
>think the Adam and Eve story is symbolic for mankind
>in general (we could have had paradise, but we screwed
>it up by abusing our free will, and now we know
>firsthand what evil is etc.).
I'll just let the Bible speak for itself here. This is from Romans 5, and I have put some words in bold for the sake of emphasis.
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
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The Bible seems clear to me on this. There is no mention of the idea that everyone pays for his own sin. Clearly, people pay for the sins of Adam.
Here are a few more verses that illustrate the injustice of God:
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Isaiah 65:
6 "See, it stands written before me:
I will not keep silent but will pay back in full;
I will pay it back into their laps-
7 both your sins and the sins of your fathers,"
says the LORD.
"Because they burned sacrifices on the mountains
and defied me on the hills,
I will measure into their laps
the full payment for their former deeds."
Leviticus 26:
38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their fathers' sins they will waste away.
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Now, admittedly, the Bible contradicts itself in other places and says each person pays for his own sins, but for me, that doesn't make the situation any better for Christians. It just shows that the Bible is problematic in itself.
Ben
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