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Wade A. Tisthammer
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/03 8:23pm
In reply to:
Damoclese
's message, "The water is fine, come on in." on 09/ 3/03 2:43pm
>>>This, to me, puts the question back a notch. Who made
>>>our brains the way they are such that they would make
>>>categorical mistakes? God. Do we want our theories to
>>>be wrong? Of course not. It's just a consequence of
>>>how we think. Who wired us?
>>
>>I can see this point of view, but I still think you’re
>>underestimating human responsibility here. Often
>>scientists ignore the limitations of their discipline
>>or those knowledgeable have failed to adequately
>>inform the rest of us, or perhaps we have not tried
>>hard enough to listen, etc.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean. In Psychology, the debate
>as to what makes us who we are and what we think has
>always centered between two things, nature and
>nurture. Some of the founders like Freud for example,
>have gone so far as to assert there is absolutely no
>free will, or hard determinism. After studying
>Psychology or profiling, it's easy to understand why.
>Sometimes genetics makes people do things. However big
>the synaptic syanpses are with whatever
>neurotransmitter is in between them is our free will.
>Regardless, what you are saying seems to conflict with
>the two things that do make us who we are, and
>determine what it is we will do, namely, nature, or
>the environment.
I don’t deny those are all influences, but in the end it’s our own selves who decide what we do. For instance, I may not feel like doing my homework (from reasons of heredity, environment, or whatever) but I can still do it if I choose to do so.
>>Ah, you’re forgetting something. God may be perfect,
>>but the people who wrote the Bible are fallible humans
>>like you and me. More importantly, the people
>>reading the Bible are fallible.
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>So what you are saying is that God, a perfect entity
>using the holy spirit to inspire writers did not
>either a) want to overcome human imperfection or b)
>couldn't overcome human perfection and that this same
>holy spirit upon interpretation either a) doesn't want
>to overcome human misgivings or b) couldn't overcome
>human misgivings on which hinge our eternal fates?
No.
>>Eh, sort of. On one view (which I hold) God is the
>>personification of ethics, rules of justice,
>>etc. He is burdened by them, and burdened by who he
>>is. So he is the higher reality, and somewhat
>>limited because of it. It may be complicated,
>>but I believe that is the way reality operates.
>
>So really, he's more or less a glorified human being
>complete with limitations?
No.
>>Again, human responsibility and free will. Once we’re
>>given free will, it’s up to us to choose our
>>own destiny. We choose, God cannot, else it
>>wouldn’t really be free will by definition. (God
>>cannot do the logically impossible.)
>
>Would you have me believe people choose to be mentally
>retarded or schizophrenic?
No.
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