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Date Posted: 10/13/15 12:31:00pm Tue
Author: Consultant
Subject: Re: Womens VB
In reply to: maven 's message, "Re: Womens VB" on 10/13/15 10:04:15am Tue

>>Women VB beat Loyola 3-1 and shut out Bucknell 3-0.
>>They are having a great season and deserve our
>support.
>
>they are having a good season within our league.
>Outside our league it has been only fair.

AND Loyola is not a strong team, at all, perspective people.

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[> [> [> WVB is a program that reloads; currently talented but young -- Raider Archivist, 10/13/15 8:01:21pm Tue

Ryan Baker, assisted by his wife Kristen has one of the most consistently successful gate athletic programs. It ranks in 2nd place behind Kathy Brawn and WSOC among the women's consistently excellent PROGRAMS. This year's VB team is young, but loaded with talent and improving as the season progresses. Annually, they play very tough o.o.c. competition to prepare them for the P.L....and it works!

As long as we're talking about it, I'd put Heather Young's WLAX as third. While each of these Programs don't win the PL consistently, they've rarely not been in the hunt come PL championshi playoff time. Each sport has consistent rivalries with other top PL programs that recruit nationally and play tough o.o.c. completion above the PL level of play. Although, not quite as much for WLAX with Loyola in the league now. The PL winner in each sport frequently goes beyond the first round in the NCAA tornament: American in VB, Boston and Navy in WSOC and Loyola, Navy and Boston in WLAX.

Because of this competition and the longevity of these gate coaches, the three attract top-notch student athletes year-in and year-out and are leaders in placement of players on the academic honor rolls each semester. They have a very good niche product coupled with gate academics. Each Program has a track record and legacy that is attractive to high quality recruits. WSOC and VB have more of a national recruiting net than WLAX. Heaher grew up in the Syracuse area and has a familiarity with the national hotbeds of h.s. WLAX in N. Y. State. She gets her share of excellent players from upstate and L.I..

Perhaps their success breeds the longevity of these coaches at gate. Whatever it is, they offer something for other gate athletic teams to emulate if they want to become successful Programs.





>>>Women VB beat Loyola 3-1 and shut out Bucknell 3-0.
>>>They are having a great season and deserve our
>>support.
>>
>>they are having a good season within our league.
>>Outside our league it has been only fair.
>
>AND Loyola is not a strong team, at all, perspective
>people.


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[> [> [> [> Re: WVB -- gate, 10/13/15 8:42:55pm Tue

Agree vball at Colgate is competitive and has a successful history under Baker. But like WSoc, they often struggle against the teams above them in the PL. In volleyball, that is American, which has dominated with its European stars. Is this roster indicative of most PL teams? Certainly not Colgate's.

http://www.aueagles.com/sports/w-volley/2015-16/roster

For the 3rd straight year in the PL, BU seems unstoppable in WSoc. The tough OOC schedules for Colgate may build character and help prepare for the PL, but the Raiders have difficulty against top teams in many sports. I'm still waiting for WHOC to catch fire. Enough 9th place finishes already!

Field Hockey's record notwithstanding, its players - and all sports and student athletes at Colgate - make those associated with the university very proud on and off the field.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: WVB -- Stacey's Mom, 10/14/15 12:16:18am Wed

>Is this roster indicative of most PL teams? Certainly not Colgate's.


True. But the Patriot League's founding is based on student-athletes being like students at a particular institution. American has many more transfers and European students than any other patriot league school. Their teams mirror their student body (though not ours).

And to be fair: They do not run Football, Hockey, and a few other key sports Colgate runs. They are going to clean our clock in a few areas because they can take the money and admission support that would go to football, hockey, lax, etc., and spend it on VB, BB, etc.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- Setter, 10/14/15 10:31:08am Wed

These teams at American and Boston are reflective of their student body and A.I.. Many are great students. Don't be so parochial, gate!






>>Is this roster indicative of most PL teams?
>Certainly not Colgate's.
>
>
>True. But the Patriot League's founding is based on
>student-athletes being like students at a particular
>institution. American has many more transfers and
>European students than any other patriot league
>school. Their teams mirror their student body (though
>not ours).
>
>And to be fair: They do not run Football, Hockey, and
>a few other key sports Colgate runs. They are going
>to clean our clock in a few areas because they can
>take the money and admission support that would go to
>football, hockey, lax, etc., and spend it on VB, BB,
>etc.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- bison137, 10/14/15 11:59:01am Wed

>These teams at American and Boston are reflective of
>their student body and A.I.. Many are great students.
>Don't be so parochial, gate!
>
>


American's volleyball team consists of six foreigners out of 15, i.e. 40% of the team. American's student body is 10% international. Not sure if 40% is representative of their student body.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- Sixth Edition, 10/14/15 12:11:58pm Wed

>American's volleyball team consists of six foreigners
>out of 15, i.e. 40% of the team. American's student
>body is 10% international. Not sure if 40% is
>representative of their student body.

How representative are any of our football teams with regards to which academic areas they major in? Study Abroad? Double majoring?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- bison137, 10/14/15 2:36:03pm Wed

>>American's volleyball team consists of six foreigners
>>out of 15, i.e. 40% of the team. American's student
>>body is 10% international. Not sure if 40% is
>>representative of their student body.
>
>How representative are any of our football teams with
>regards to which academic areas they major in? Study
>Abroad? Double majoring?



Don't have any idea. Did anyone say they are?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- Gate'93, 10/14/15 6:32:52pm Wed

Only two PL roster lists show majors, Colgate and Lehigh. Of the 40 jrs and srs at Colgate with declared majors, the breakdown is as follows 8 Econ/math econ, 6 history, 5 poly sci, 4 geology, 3 each for sociology and ed studies, 1 each neuroscience, afr. amer. studies, art & art hist., philosophy, psych, biology, peace & conflict studies, theater and latin. In short, almost exactly what one would expect from any random collection of Colgate students. Maybe a bit light on english and biology (pre-med) but given the sample size that is likely meaningless.

Without knowing much about Lehigh student's choices in majors, their break-down also looks like it matches up similarly to the overall distribution - 6 business majors of various types, 10 engineering majors of various types - no major with more than 3 players (mech eng.)

I would find this statement to be outright silly if it weren't for the fact that it maligns students that in my experience were as qualified as and worked as hard as, if not harder, than the overall student population. This isn't the SEC.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Boston also has more intl students and s-a's -- Sixth Edition, 10/14/15 8:33:56pm Wed

I was blowing smoke and was wrong.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: WVB -- Gate Raider, 10/14/15 3:10:52pm Wed

Not so sure AU or Boston U. have student bodies that have AI's that are similar to other PL schools but, I have not seen the latest numbers.


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