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Date Posted: 10/17/15 3:48:00pm Sat
Author: 'gate80
Subject: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13

Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville got the yard though. I'll take the win.

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[> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Maven, 10/17/15 4:06:53pm Sat

>Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when
>gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th
>and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville
>got the yard though. I'll take the win.


Lucky. Defense played well. Too many turnovers and penalties. G'town offensive playbook more creative than ours. Colgate's best call was go for it on fourth down on our 39. G'town had the mo and would have moved right down the field. Holland being healthy is key. The bye is perfectly timed this year.


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- 'gate80, 10/17/15 4:58:16pm Sat

I'm glad they went for it on 4 and 1 (and wish they did against Delaware last year). It just seemed strange to have Melville alone in the backfield. Would anyone think we would pass in that situation?


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Maven, 10/17/15 5:20:57pm Sat

>I'm glad they went for it on 4 and 1 (and wish they
>did against Delaware last year). It just seemed
>strange to have Melville alone in the backfield. Would
>anyone think we would pass in that situation?

I am with you there. Somebody should ask the offensive coordinator!


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[> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Gate'83, 10/17/15 5:46:04pm Sat

>Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when
>gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th
>and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville
>got the yard though. I'll take the win.

Was watching from #10 Tavern in downtown Hamilton with the sound off... looked like we were completely unprepared for the Gtown onside kick at 17-3. Thought that was a real momentum builder for Gtown, glad we eventually got out alive...


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- The Future, 10/17/15 5:58:49pm Sat

I learned a lot from Tatum.
Amazing how all of the announcers start by making a point and then feel like they have to finish by saying something positive--which turns whatever they are saying into gibberish.

Fordham beat Holy Cross in OT.
Pujals threw for 508. HC had 70 passes and 12 runs.
Fordham beat Penn in OT last week. Teams have been able to throw on them.

Army snuck by Bucknell 21-14--which takes a little of the luster off of Fordham beating Army.

Colgate's D played well. 37 with two big strips. Holland is a very good RB.

Colgate needs to throw the ball as confidently in the 4th as they do in the 1st. Play action in the 4th would be a thing of beauty and keep Melville in rhythm. Playbook gets smaller and smaller as the game goes on. Wish they had one new play, or a new wrinkle saved for the 4th. Great to see them go for it--and I actually support the idea of a different play than the read option give to Wilkins on 4th and short. There is no way the D expected it. I think the empty backfield is a great look for 'gate in general. Gives Melville a ton of space to work.

Keep it going 'gate!


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- The Lone Haranguer, 10/17/15 7:12:43pm Sat

There should have been trigger warnings whenever Tatum came on.


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[> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Gate Raider, 10/17/15 6:41:12pm Sat

Glad to have the win even if it wasn't smooth. Holland runs hard and doesn't stop with the first tackler. Melville's passing has clearly improved and the receivers are very capable and make really good grabs. Bowman must have reconciled with his girlfriend. But, man, they have to improve the exchange on the handoff with the RB's. The fumbles will make a difference in close games. Still getting some dumb penalties. Keep in mind that 'gate did not score in the second half and 17 points is not very much. Hope they win out and get the AQ. I was disappointed at the end of the first when Colgate had half a minute left and two time outs and didn't use them to try and score. Didn't demonstrate much confidence in the offense.


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Go...'gate, 10/17/15 6:55:12pm Sat

>Glad to have the win even if it wasn't smooth.
>Holland runs hard and doesn't stop with the first
>tackler. Melville's passing has clearly improved and
>the receivers are very capable and make really good
>grabs. Bowman must have reconciled with his
>girlfriend. But, man, they have to improve the
>exchange on the handoff with the RB's. The fumbles
>will make a difference in close games. Still getting
>some dumb penalties. Keep in mind that 'gate did not
>score in the second half and 17 points is not very
>much. Hope they win out and get the AQ. I was
>disappointed at the end of the first when Colgate had
>half a minute left and two time outs and didn't use
>them to try and score. Didn't demonstrate much
>confidence in the offense.

Always nice to get a win. Congratulations Red Raiders!


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[> [> [> Looks like we'll ratchet up the passing offense for Fordham, no ? -- Andy Kerr, 10/17/15 7:42:33pm Sat

There's always the flipside of a significant offensive achivement like Holy Cross's 500 yards passing today against Fordham.

Fordham's D gave up 500 yards passing in a game.

The previous week, Penn's Andrew Lisa finished 24-for-37 for 263 yards and three touchdowns in his first collegiate start. This was in a come from-behind blitz ( behind 10-35 in the 2nd quarter ) after giving up three turnovers in its first five possessions.

Fordham needed a last minute field goal to beat Penn and overtime to overcome H.C, today.

Fordham is good. But they put their pants on, one leg at a time, just little bit differently than others in the P.L.. At the least the game with the Rams, after the bye week, should be a game!





>>Glad to have the win even if it wasn't smooth.
>>Holland runs hard and doesn't stop with the first
>>tackler. Melville's passing has clearly improved and
>>the receivers are very capable and make really good
>>grabs. Bowman must have reconciled with his
>>girlfriend. But, man, they have to improve the
>>exchange on the handoff with the RB's. The fumbles
>>will make a difference in close games. Still getting
>>some dumb penalties. Keep in mind that 'gate did not
>>score in the second half and 17 points is not very
>>much. Hope they win out and get the AQ. I was
>>disappointed at the end of the first when Colgate had
>>half a minute left and two time outs and didn't use
>>them to try and score. Didn't demonstrate much
>>confidence in the offense.
>
>Always nice to get a win. Congratulations Red Raiders!


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[> [> [> [> Re: Looks like we'll ratchet up the passing offense for Fordham, no ? -- Gate Raider, 10/17/15 10:00:34pm Sat

I'll take Melville throwing for about 190, no fumbles, only two penalties and the RB's having a stellar game. Oh yeah, and the D holding Fordham to 100 or so on the ground. It's finally a home game which helps. Go 'gate.


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Howard, 10/19/15 12:09:16pm Mon

Hey Gate Raider! Another brilliant statement on your part! "Glad to have the win even though it wasn't smooth". Football games are full of "Highs" and "Lows" in a 60 minute time frame. They are never smooth! Whats the comment about a player reconciling with his girlfriend? Also the quote "didn't demonstrate much confidence in the offense" at the end of the half. You are definitely more mentally challenged when it comes to football than I thought.
That was a hard fought victory for a team that has two conference wins on the road! Congrats to the coaches and players. The only loser this weekend....was you Gate Raider!


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/19/15 10:08:52am Mon

>Glad to have the win even if it wasn't smooth.
>Holland runs hard and doesn't stop with the first
>tackler. Melville's passing has clearly improved and
>the receivers are very capable and make really good
>grabs.

agreed...however while #3 gets a lot of press and makes some nice catches he drops passes every game....about as many as he catches in some and was flagged twice Saturday for false starts.....that's gotta improve!! drops & flags are drive killers and will hurt the chances of a PL title
#29 is a vacuum! catches everything thrown his way


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[> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/17/15 10:29:03pm Sat

Gate was flat out OUT COACHED!! the boys deserve better!
with a lot less talent Sgarlata & staff out coached Hunt & staff in ALL THREE phases of the game!!! Hunt bot a good HC, Schaffner not a good DC (37 on the D-Line REALLY?!!), Young not a good OC!!! very lucky to get out of DC with a win


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- the last indian (a bit harsh- Gate fan), 10/18/15 10:25:01am Sun

Yes, we should have been prepared for the insides kickoff, but I can't agree with most of your points. Afrieyie forced 2 fumbles and several rushes that caused their QB to hurry his throws. What is wrong with that? I like our DC. He has turned around a porous defense into one of the teams strengths.
I am concerned that we don't seem to want to play in the fourth quarter. This has been a consistent theme- Cornell, Yale and vs the Hoyas. The exception was HC. Whatever they put in the water that day, they should do again.
BTW- our win over HC now looks much better with their OT tilt with Fordham. They nearly beat Brown who miraculously beat Princeton.
Fordham will be tough, both teams know what they have on the line. Chase Edmunds is clearly a great back. And they can pass. We will need to keep the ball out of their hands. I am concerned about the ability of our O-line to sustain a ground and pound running attack, our hallmark.


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- pigskin, 10/18/15 11:42:23am Sun

Lack of the killer instinct in the 4th is an ever present danger, as it has been in most of our games. Just can't seem to close things out.

Note to G'town announcers: Tell Tatum to be briefer; talking right through the play on the field is really annoying. Her soliloquys about various players were histerical, ha-ha.

If HC had just knocked off the Rams we would have a real PL race going. But it's not too late. Hopefully the home field advantage - and snow? - gives us 3 points extra.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- the last indian (Tatum), 10/18/15 12:43:35pm Sun

Her comments were inane. I don't think Erin Andrews has anything to worry about.


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/18/15 5:52:46pm Sun

I like our DC. He has turned around a
>porous defense into one of the teams strengths.

giving up an average of TWENTY EIGHT POINTS PER GAME is not exactly commendable!! surrendering double digit 4th quarter LEADS is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!


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[> [> [> [> Fordham averages 38.9 pts/game to opponents 28.1; Gate 20.9 pts per game -- Raider Archivist, 10/18/15 6:53:58pm Sun

Many Fordham opponents have put up big points against a porous Fordham secondary to stay in games with the Rams. Gate hss yet to display that kind of offensive production in any game this year. The closest the Raiders have come is the second half against Holy Cross. T.O.P. is one of Gate's best weapons. But, Fordham has shown the ability to score in a high percentage of their posessions!


DATE OPPONENT W/L SCORE
------------ ------------------------ --- ----- ------
Sep 04, 2015 at Army West Point W 37-35
Sep 12, 2015 #2 VILLANOVA L 7-14
Sep 19, 2015 COLUMBIA W 44-24
Sep 26, 2015 MONMOUTH W 54-31
*Oct 03, 2015 at Lafayette W 35-7
Oct 10, 2015 at Penn W 48-45
*Oct 17, 2015 HOLY CROSS W OT 47-41






> I like our DC. He has turned around a
>>porous defense into one of the teams strengths.
>
>giving up an average of TWENTY EIGHT POINTS PER GAME
>is not exactly commendable!! surrendering double
>digit 4th quarter LEADS is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/19/15 8:28:36am Mon

>BTW- our win over HC now looks much better with their
>OT tilt with Fordham. They nearly beat Brown who
>miraculously beat Princeton.

Brown is NOT good this year and they hung 38 points on Princeton, Gate O could only put up 20 against the Tigers which by the way is what the Gate O is averaging: 20 per game while the D gives up an avg of 28 per game


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[> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Zappa, 10/19/15 9:41:23am Mon

>Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when
>gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th
>and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville
>got the yard though. I'll take the win.

We're not a good team YET, however the potential is there. This does not mean we can't beat Fordham but it will take a perfect game plan and the defense needs to stop Edmunds, he's tremendous.


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/19/15 9:55:01am Mon

>>Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when
>>gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th
>>and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville
>>got the yard though. I'll take the win.

good result on a very bad judgement call!
punt & they get the ball deep in their own territory 1 stop and Gate wins, if Melville doesn't get that yard it's a likely loss....very questionable call !!! but again...good results


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[> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- Maven, 10/19/15 12:39:31pm Mon

>>Wow. Didn't expect Hoyas to get back in this game when
>>gate was up 17-dick after 3. Odd play to call on 4th
>>and 1 from our 39 with 2:30 left in the game. Melville
>>got the yard though. I'll take the win.
>
>We're not a good team YET, however the potential is
>there. This does not mean we can't beat Fordham but it
>will take a perfect game plan and the defense needs to
>stop Edmunds, he's tremendous.


Totally disagree. Get the yard and you win the game. Punt and you could lose the game. The Hoyas had the momentum and moved down the field to score in a minute and a half. Don't give them another chance with plenty of time left!


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[> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- The Future, 10/19/15 1:51:11pm Mon

I like the 4th down call. Colgate’s D was having trouble at that point. I think the aggressiveness—even if they hadn’t gotten it, it sets a better tone than a punt. Statistically, I would imagine it absolutely makes sense.

Also, I could certainly be wrong, but I think this was the plan the entire game. Wilkins is out. Gate goes to him on the read option 95% of the time (at least) on 4th and 1. Gate runs the empty backfield as the first play of the game (a new look the D won’t forget—especially since it is the first play of the game). Colgate makes sure to throw the ball on that play—Melville hasn’t thrown a pass like that all year—running towards someone and zipping the ball in there to a relatively covered receiver. Colgate makes sure to show that play with a pass so that the defense has to respect it when they run it again on 4th and short. This time, the QB has no intention of throwing but all he has to do is pick a hole with basically man-on-man blocking. Could be wrong, but it feels like the plan (and a smart one) on ‘gate’s part.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gatefan, 10/19/15 2:06:01pm Mon

>I like the 4th down call. Colgate’s D was having
>trouble at that point. I think the aggressiveness—even
>if they hadn’t gotten it, it sets a better tone than a
>punt. Statistically, I would imagine it absolutely
>makes sense.
>
>Also, I could certainly be wrong, but I think this was
>the plan the entire game. Wilkins is out. Gate goes to
>him on the read option 95% of the time (at least) on
>4th and 1. Gate runs the empty backfield as the first
>play of the game (a new look the D won’t
>forget—especially since it is the first play of the
>game). Colgate makes sure to throw the ball on that
>play—Melville hasn’t thrown a pass like that all
>year—running towards someone and zipping the ball in
>there to a relatively covered receiver. Colgate makes
>sure to show that play with a pass so that the defense
>has to respect it when they run it again on 4th and
>short. This time, the QB has no intention of throwing
>but all he has to do is pick a hole with basically
>man-on-man blocking. Could be wrong, but it feels like
>the plan (and a smart one) on ‘gate’s part.

calls like that will find some fans liking it and others not. I am very happy it worked out for Gate.
I wonder if Hunt makes that same call if the D wasn't so bad at holding 4th quarter leads?


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Colgate 17 - Georgetown 13 -- gate, 10/19/15 5:57:00pm Mon

My guess is the players wanted to go for it on 4th and 1 and get the win. This is their game and they would share the results.

We were only 4-13 on 3rd down conversions. That is terrible, it kills momentum, and any improvement there could turn this Colgate team around. Melville had some brilliant plays but also made some terrible, soft, lateral passes while others he threw were well out of bounds. If he decides to run, he must aim for the 1st down marker and not come up a yard or two short as often as he does.

It was an exciting game; not sure where this Georgetown team came from but glad we're now 12-1 against them. Their wins out of conference are lackluster. We needed this one so congrats to all for the gritty win on the road!

Afriyie is damn impressive...the NFL could be a real possibility for him. Hope he gives Fordham fits!


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