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Date Posted: 11:56:21 05/22/01 Tue
In reply to:
Alihja
's message, "Also, in reply to Anguirus, thank you! Can we all say "troll", children?" on 14:33:18 05/21/01 Mon
>I'd rather like to discuss the Holocaust. I see no
>reason not to tell Chex he's an idiot.(*thinks to
>self* I bet he thinks the moon landing was just a
>setup in the Mojave desert like half a dozen other
>willful morons out there, too.)
That's Checks, you deaf and blind moron. At least Anguirus has the decency to call me that, instead of with that darn "x."
>Let's face it. All is fair in love and war. Yes,
>Lincoln became something of a dictator. That is
>evident in many things that he did. But are we better
>for it? I think so. Where the hell would we be if it
>weren't for the Union victory? Just imagine the
>purgatory we'd be in. His only purpose in this war was
>to KEEP THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA together.
But are we better for it?
No way. It was at that point where the Constitution was left in the mud, and leads us to where we are today as a nation.
Yes, that was his purpose. But you know what? In that purpose of keeping the Union together, he trampled on the rights and freedom of all those in the Union and/or Confederacy.
A better question is: Why did he want to keep the Union together? (Money.)
>The Emancipation Proclamation was, as Chex so
>eloquently put it, a war measure. But are we not
>better off for it?
Maybe we are. I am not denying that.
>We could debate the "what if's" and
>"should haves" and "morality" of the Civil War until
>the earth explodes with all the hot air I've seen on
>this board. War IS NOT about MORALS. As General
>William Sherman put it, "War is hell". The Union was
>determined to keep the country together, after all the
>shit (pardon my French) their forefathers (and the
>South's) went through to break away from Britain and
>be their own people. Politicians, the Constitution,
>and the word-manglers and fact-omitters of today and
>all of history can go jump in a lake for all I care.
GOOD POINT ALIHJA!! The United States of America broke away from Britain to be there own people because they felt that they were being abused. In essence: THEY SECEEDED!!
THAT IS WHAT THE SOUTH DID!! EXACTLY!!
So why is it wrong for the South?
>
>Ultimately, no one is perfect and not every decision
>can be a right one. We, as human beings, do the best
>we can to stand for what we believe in and protect it
>come hell or high water. Every president we have had
>has been a good one, in my humble opinion, each one
>making decisions for what he thought was for the good
>of the country. There are too many "what if's" to say
>if any of those could have turned out for better or
>worse, the opposite of the outcome.
Is it just me, or are you softening your postition??
>
>The Civil War was just that, a civil war. Two
>parts of the country fighting against each other and
>tearing apart hundreds of years of blood and sweat and
>making that count for nothing.
Actually, it wasn't a civil war. A civil war is where two sides are fighting for control of the goverment. THE SOUTH WAS NOT FIGHTING FOR CONTROL OF THE UNION. THEY WERE FIGHTING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE NORTH'S TAKING OVER THEIR FREEDOM.
Over 620,000 men
>were killed in the Civil War and I think it best, for
>their souls and those today that are still up in arms
>about it, to drop this issue. None of us know politics
>well enough to debate this kind of thing. Hatred from
>over 100 years ago should not be fresh enough to
>affect us now. If we would stop dwelling on that
>terrible time and look at all the good it did for the
>country: the Civil Rights Movement, woman suffrage,
>racial equality under the eyes of the law, etc. then
>we'd all be happier people.
Almost sounds like you are admitting defeat, no??
>
>"White pride" is synonomous with "White trash", in my
>mind. Everyone, be they black, white, red, orange, or
>green is a minority of one. Now, before I
>switch topics completely and start arguing racial
>equality, I'm gonna stop here.
Good idea!
>
>I refuse to debate the Civil War any longer. Take this
>not as a sign of retreat, but a sign of common sense.
Yup. This confirms it.
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