Date Posted:09:17:36 10/13/99 Wed Author:fate_777 Subject: Re: Perfection In reply to:
Gabriel
's message, "Perfection" on 04:42:57 10/13/99 Wed
> > > Thanks for your answer, Gabriel.
> > >
> > > Well, we two will probably never agree on certain
> > > topics. So, I don't see much reason to reply to
> it. I
> > > hope that's okay with you. :-)
> >
> >
> > I am going to disagree with gabriel on one point,
> > mainly the point about the catholic church being the
> > only perfect and unified church. I know a lot of
> > catholics, and most of them are good people, but I
> > also know catholics, who do go against what the
> church
> > teaches, who do sin purposly for the intent of going
> > to confession and being forgiven, then going out
> doing
> > it again with the intent of going to confession, and
> I
> > know catholics who will try to cause strife and
> > disagreement in the church. For that reason the
> > catholic church as well as every other church is not
> > ever going to be perfect and unified complely, except
> > in heaven. God, jesus, the holy sprit are perfect,
> and
> > sinless, man is not, so man will never be perfect,
> > until he is in heaven
> > fate
>
> Whoah, whoah... Okay, first of all, nobody is
> sinless... not the pope, not the bishops, not me, not
> you--- NOBODY. Because nobody is sinless, nobody can
> be perfect. The Catholic Church is NOT perfect. The
> Catholic Church (and when I say Church, I mean Church
> authorities like the college of bishops and the pope--
> not the lay people) is infallible. Infallibility does
> not mean that the Church is sinless. It means that the
> Church cannot err when defining matters of faith and
> morals.
>
> Peace and prayer,
> Gabriel
OK I thought you were saying that the catholic church was perfect, my mistake
Brian
