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Subject: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 07:33:42pm
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NCAA Division II (D2) offers athletic scholarships (often partial) and balances high-level sports with academics, while NCAA Division III (D3) offers NO athletic scholarships, prioritizing the student experience first, with academics taking precedence and sports being more about participation and regional play, resulting in less travel and lower time commitment than D2.

With that as a backdrop, Purp 1 is retired from talk about Division I athletics at Niagara. I'm here every day, but we as a university family and a all inclusive fanbase are similar in that we are both a boat with no rudder.

IMO, It's time for NU to drop their participation in Division I athletics and into a place where athletic participation is integrated into a high level of education. There are many tremendous schools in this country that do not have a major athletics program. I can name many if you want me to. The purpose of the NIL behind the close doors is to cut the schools that are least capable of sustaining payments to it's student athletes and probably cutting 25% of current Division I schools within the next 5-10 years.

We all know NU has no business in D1. You know I read truthful over there on the other board acting like an ill dog having diarrhea all over the rugs in your home. He never got it. He would go after coaches like they should be removed from campus by gunpoint. There is one layer of the onion he jumped over and never noticed. Any college that has a competitive athletic set of bones HAS to have a dedicated and $upportive administration and alumni ba$e. You can't be successful trying to hire one person who can do it all for you when everything behind that person either lacks or isn't there at all.

Niagara University has no athletic pedigree. It's best times were when we lived in a polar opposite. Back then black athletes were limited in number at most schools and now you can pay them to NOT play for you, then leave you for another school. How friggin polar is that? Is that polar enough for you?

Niagara does not have extra money to give to players because every dime they give out actually affects other things they can do to enhance the university. Niagara invested a lot of money in the sport of hockey. Not just going out and seeking donations, but in operating expenses, and really not worth the effort in attracting males to the school. I wouldn't put that many million into that dated philosophy.

The business side has tipped away from you from where you could think you were a bit better than other local schools and you could in effect (kinda) thumb your nose at the ones not in your athletic catagory. That's history now.

Niagara being in D1 does not make it more attractive to prospective students given today's economic climate. NU has what 33% males. How many is that for God's sake, 1200?

By the way, here is where Creighton plays volleyball:

https://gocreighton.com/news/2025/9/12/-4-volleyball-hands-18-volleyball-rare-home-loss

Our facilties are PATHETIC for a school that thinks it runs in D1. As a matter of fact they are PATHETIC compared to most economically stable colleges anywhere in the US.

So you have no fan base so to speck of any more and you are using valuable alumni/other donations to pay mediocre athletes, which in total may not amount to an enormous sum for NU compared to other places, but to go out and pander for these dollars is a waste because no matter how much money you give away, you're always going to be in the Indy 500 on a tricycle.

Become a tremendous educational school, like Williams, Wellesley, Amherst, Emory, etc.

Let lay people run the university like they do at so many religious affiliated schools and change course.

Purp 1 says make the bold decision as we think good old Niagara is really something special in athletics, that based mostly in fanmanship and not in reality. There were some exceptional memories, but if the Vincentians really cared, would they not try to keep the engine going?

So, with NU having only a finite number of open wallets available for handouts ie NIL-Funds, declining fanbase, horrendous facilities, really no pedegree (You take Taps/Cal out what's left?), Niagara is really overall a big nothingburger.

I hate to say that. I hate this line but it is what it is.

They are looking at Law and other schools that make provide them with more donors in the future than BB players or swimmers or teachers. However once again, NU missed the boat on having ANY established professional school except for business/nursing. Any of those hotel managers out there building a school? Russell Salavtore showed up and he's just a local Tally.

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[> Subject: Please note...


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 07:46:35pm
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My reference to black students athletes was wrong and I didn't mean to phrase it that way.

What I meant to say that we went from a polar standpoints of discrimination against black athletes limiting them on teams. Niagara was able to recruit players because of their religious affiliations. The point was that the best NU teams were made up during very disturbing times. Today as noted in Niagara Nation NU gave financial assistance to someone who did not play I guess due to injury, and then left for Bona.

Why does NU need to do all this?
[> [> Subject: and please note again...


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 07:53:03pm
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I'm not talking about actually winning anything thing. Just be competitive in D3.

Just remember. We had a winning coach in men's basketball that the school didn't not feel was worth a raise up to perhaps $300K for his body of work at NU. The powers at be didn't want him to be the highest paid employee.
[> [> [> Subject: Are You Leaving This Forum ?


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NUSuperfan
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 08:28:26pm
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I hope not because I Just decided that I would try and help keep this site going.
[> [> [> [> Subject: No Supe, not leaving.


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:26:26pm
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But the passion like Elvis has left the room. Talking about Division 1 anything does nothing for me. NU closed the door after the last horse left. I say go D3, elevate the hell out of NU educationally, and perhaps richer people will graduate and look back someday.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No Supe, not leaving.


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NUSuperfan
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:53:45pm
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Glad to hear that as I consider you a friend and respect your opinions and insight. I left for the same reasons that you espouse. But I missed you guys.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No Supe, not leaving.


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:55:40pm
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There's never a need to leave.
[> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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CNS1972
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 08:55:46pm
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I’m up north getting ready to ski and have been watching this same conversation play out for years. And at some point, someone has to say it plainly: the obsession with Niagara Basketball as the identity of NU Athletics is not only outdated — it’s holding the entire department back.

I get that people have favorite sports. I get the nostalgia for Calvin Murphy, the 1960s, the 2005 tournament team. But shaping the future of an entire Division I department around a sport that hasn’t produced meaningful success in nearly 20 years is short-sighted. Meanwhile, in the last 3–4 years, swimming, lacrosse, and baseball have won conference titles and represented NU at NCAA Championships. How is it fair — or logical — to diminish their Division I success simply because basketball is underperforming?

If you care about the university and not just one team, Division III is actually the rational basketball-first solution.

Let’s be honest: if the only priority is “basketball matters above all,” then the direction NU is headed makes no financial or institutional sense. Moving to Division III would instantly increase tuition revenue, eliminate scholarship costs, remove the need to pay a men’s basketball coach north of $500,000, and reset expectations in a more sustainable competitive environment.

At the D3 level, recruiting coaches is harder and talent is spread thinner — the spending chasm between DI haves and have-nots isn’t manageable for a school without big budgets or modern facilities.

But if NU wants to remain Division I, then it’s time for honest self-reflection — and a reality check.

Niagara fans have to accept that this isn’t 1967 or 2005. NU was a flash in the pan in the modern DI era. And for two decades, there has been almost no institutional investment in the Gallagher Center — its locker rooms, its fan experience, or anything that would attract legitimate DI basketball talent.

Instead, NU continues to pay premium salaries for a coaching staff with a record floating around .500. That’s not on Greg. Look at the resources he has. What exactly is he supposed to sell to high-level recruits?

“Come to Niagara: We play in a facility that looks like a high school gym. We have minimal financial support. Our conference rivals can outspend, out-recruit, and out-facilitate us in every measurable way.” That’s not a recruiting pitch. That’s a resignation letter.

Meanwhile, Hockey — the sport most aligned with WNY and Niagara’s regional identity — is treated as an afterthought.

Niagara isn’t going to lure assistants from WMU or North Dakota because they simply aren’t willing to pay for them. Under President Maher and AD Gray, basketball remains the priority. Hockey is viewed as a cost, not an opportunity — which shows a complete misunderstanding of both the region and the sport’s potential.

And here’s the kicker: Hockey routinely has the highest team GPA at NU. Hockey is more involved in the community. Hockey generates more private donor support than any other sport. Hockey players stay longer, graduate at higher rates, and achieve more academically and professionally.

I know — I’m one of the alumni who supports the program financially.

The last public 990 shows Coach Lammers is underpaid relative to peers, and the hockey staff pool is thin. Rumor is that hockey salaries are supplemented by Dwyer Arena revenue. Coach Lammers has two full-time staff members, yet still recruits international talent, maintains strong culture, and brings NHL-caliber talent back to support the program.

Now imagine what Niagara could do if hockey — not basketball — were treated as NU’s flagship sport.

Take the same $500K men’s basketball salary (plus staff), roughly $800K in total, and redirect it into hockey:

Canadian recruits become more accessible. WNY talent stays home. European pipelines expand. Attendance increases. More schools are willing to sign a
home / home deal. Youth hockey programs invest and show up. Dwyer becomes a real selling point, not an underfunded facility. The sport matches the region’s identity and actual community interest.

This is not hypothetical. It’s reality across college hockey — look at the dozens of WNY players who leave every year for top-tier DI programs and the NHL. The greatest American hockey player of all time is from Buffalo.

Hockey is this region’s sport. Niagara is uniquely positioned to benefit from that. Bob Dwyer was right in the 90's and he's be right today. Niagara an incredible opportunity in the late 90's and they squandered it, because they didn't understand how to manage. They were too focused on Joe Mihalich and a first round birth.

Basketball can absolutely succeed in WNY — just not at Niagara.

UB vs. Bonaventure can draw 5,500 on a Saturday. Bona packs the RC. UB and Bonaventure all have modernized facilities and stronger institutional commitment.

Niagara does not.

Right now, Gallagher looks like a high school gym, parking is limited, and the hospitality area feels like a VFW hall. Fans know it. Recruits know it. Opponents know it.

Here’s the bottom line:

Basketball is an emotional attachment.
Hockey is a strategic opportunity supported by: regional culture, financial logic, donor trends, academic performance, enrollment demographics, and actual community interest.

Niagara can’t keep pretending past success is future strategy. If NU wants to stay Division I — and remain relevant, competitive, and sustainable — hockey is the logical flagship sport. Basketball is the nostalgia piece. Hockey is the future.
[> [> Subject: Dwyer Arena & NU Admin Makes Your Dream Improbable


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NUSuperfan
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:01:33pm
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The Vinny philosophy is what it is,and is reflected in NU's administrative approach to athletics. In addition, the Dwyer Arena has and will continue to defer any chance for the hockey program to be accepted into a high major conference. If you think Michigan State, Michigan, Boston U. et al, will play a home and home series against Niagara, you're wrong.

There are other relatives variables involved that precludes NU from advancing to the level you suggest.
Remember, just like D1 basketball and football,new programs are entering the ring in college hockey, which further complicates the picture; and oh yes, there's also the NIL and portal in college hockey.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Dwyer Arena & NU Admin Makes Your Dream Improbable


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RCM
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:21:16pm
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Dwyer has never made a penny in profit
Dwyers rink pad has been replaced three times due to orginal corner cutting
Dwyer could never have been made into a full bowl


But with that said. It’s amazingly fun time with a 6 year old son who loves hockey. He loves the games. They serve beer. So I can have a lager while I teach him about hockey.

I go to many games a year now. I live five
Miles from rink. BUT I often think of what could have been with the hockey program.

NU is not very good, yet d1 hockey is very entertaining and affordable
[> [> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:22:19pm
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Hockey is not the future. Hockey at Niagara will celebrate it's 30th birthday next year.

But from a hockey supporter like yourself I admire your spirit (and donation). They just need 200 more of you.
[> [> [> Subject: How about that Canada thing?


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Purp 1
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 10:36:09pm
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Speaking of NU hockey, somebody that lives in a large city started to badmouth our neigbors to the north and BOOM, visits from Canada and their spending tumbled.

The owner of the Fashion Outlets of Niagara Falls, Macerich, owes a significant amount on a large loan, which matured in 2023 but has since received extensions, with the current deadline pushed to October 2026, giving them time to pay or refinance the roughly $78.7 million balance amidst declining property value and occupancy. While some stores have closed, the mall itself isn't shutting down, but its owner is navigating financial challenges common to traditional malls, including high debt and struggling retail.

It's not a good time to find what I hear is now closer to $85M or find someone to refinance or buy the place. I have heard nobody talking about this but whatch what happens in a few months.
[> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Maldez
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 05:44:30pm
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The day Niagara goes DIII is the day I close this message board....I guess I'm a slow learner but I'm still holding out hope that somehow NU finds a way to successfully recruit in the world of NIL and becomes competitive in the MAAC...is that so much to ask?
[> [> Subject: TOM


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NUSuperfan
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And no one will blame you for that. Even in football, if UB and MSU, two of my alma maters ever went to even D1 FCS, instead of staying in D1 FBS, I would be done with them; and D2 or D3 would be the same for me in all the other athletics at those two schools: I would no longer have any interest.

Every year college & pro sports changes for the worse. They just have to tinker and dabble with athletics to the point that one day some of the old standard games will be ,if not unrecognizable , hardly tolerable. Look what they have already done to major league baseball and pro football , as examples. In MLB , they put a man on 2nd base in extra innings and allow the intentional walk just to name a couple of things. How about pro football with the dumb kickoff rule, the dumb on side kick rule change and other stupid internal changes that have been made. The NCAA won't be happy until every last low and mid major athletic program is out of D1 football and basketball. AND if D1 hockey gets to the point where there is a proliferation of high major schools in that sport, the NCAA will also see to it that conferences like the Atlantic Hockey league will also be relegated to either a new D2 ,or D3 level.
[> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11, 12:23:41am
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I am in the Sports Business, deal with every level from NFL to ECAC.
Niagara is in an awful spot, but I guarantee there is no chance for potential with the present AD. No AD should be at a school, like Niagara, with little to no success for over a decade.
Before we throw in the towel I want to see an AD with some passion and vision.
[> [> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Maldez
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11, 07:29:59am
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Simon Gray is a wimp...he doesn't have it in him to fire people.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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Nubball86
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11, 02:34:13pm
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He needs to fire himself
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Without change, just more of the same forever and ever.


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You’re Fired
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 11, 06:58:46pm
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How can one school have so many people who are so bad at their jobs with no accountability
[> [> [> [> Subject: low pay


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wcpurple
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Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 06:19:08am
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nu pays very little, great starter position but that is it


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