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Date Posted: 09:12:55 08/07/00 Mon
Author: Katey
Subject: Re: Diabolical Maternalism
In reply to: Bubba 's message, "Re: Diabolical Maternalism" on 18:17:44 08/05/00 Sat

> > If anyone cares, diabolical maternalism is a joke the
> > Borg (the poster-guy) made up to ridicule the term
> > "dialectical materialism".
>
> I'm not familar with this " Borg (the poster-guy) ",
> who is he ?
>
Actually, I'm not sure. I've seen the ?guy? post on practically every board I have ever visited. It may be one person or, more likely, a name used as a sort of running gag throughout the internet. He has posted at least once over at the FMF (though I haven't seen the name here).

> Also the diabolical big mother thing reminds of
> the state, of course, but "dialectical materialism"
> means nothing to me. I guess it's mostly the
> dialectical word, but will you explain the meaning
> of the whole idea please ?
>
dialec'tical mate'rialism:
a form of materialism, developed chiefly by Karl Marx, noted esp. for the application of the Hegelian dialectic in its philosophy of history.

(I had to actually get a dictionary for that definition. Wasn't too sure myself exactly what it meant) The Hegelian dialectic (if I remember correctly) is that when any new idea or action is created, the opposite will also be created. In between these two poles there is supposed to be a middle ground. With materialism, all phenomena, including those of mind, are due to material agencies. So, I am assuming (and possibly incorrectly) that dialectical materialism would be used to regulate the minds of the people through a control of the material wealth. I could also believe that Marx viewed Communism as a middle-ground theory (pertaining to the Hegelian), effectively removing the polarity so all wealth would provide a middle-ground.

> Words like 'dialectical' seem to turn me off to
> whatever the speaker is saying, usually. Do we
> really need all these big words to communicate
> ideas ?
>

Hell NO! Actually, I spotted the question (I think bnimble posted it) on the 1st page of this forum and thought after 6 months someone might want to know what the words meant. Rummaging through your old posts sorta reminds me of rummaging through your guest bathroom cabinets. Feel a weird sort of sneaky guilt.

> I tend to think that if it can't be explained in
> very simple terms, that almost anyone can understand,
> then either the speaker does not really understand,
> or the idea is fundamentally fraudulent in essence.
>
I couldn't agree more! I don't think verbally so if an idea comes up that I can't understand easily, it may take me months to get a grip on it. (Like the meme thing) I tend to think that those who use the long, complicated, unpleasant phrases are doing it to impress someone.

--Kitty

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Replies:

Diabolical Invitationalism -- Zarathud, 22:50:40 08/17/00 Thu
- Hiya 'thud! -- Katey, 11:35:11 08/21/00 Mon
  - Re: Hiya 'thud! -- Zarathud, 05:46:41 08/23/00 Wed