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Date Posted: 07:06:45 04/29/01 Sun
Author: smokelike-a-fiend
Subject: Re: much, much more indeed
In reply to: bumponalog 's message, "more than a hedged bet" on 16:00:54 04/27/01 Fri

>it's NOT a hedged bet, it's a hedged principle for the
>purposes of power. abortion is not really a rep/dem
>position, it goes deeper. this is not really his
>position, i'm willing to bet my handle on that, it is
>a compromise with his many female friends,
>conservative all, that support choice to one degree or
>another.

Um, I was joking! This litle op of yours literally exploded in my mind friday nite. I couldn't sleep for thinking on it. I've come up w/ a number of angles by which we can achieve our objective. They can be applied wholly, or individually. Just depends on how much effort we want to put into this thing. IMO, we go for the whole pie, leaving nary a crumb. Anyway, back to your point, I'd agree completely, it's hypocrisy on his part. What's more that hypocrisy runs rampant throughout his thinking. This is what we expoit ruthlessly.

Now, here's the rub; I'm fairly certain I could do it rather easily were I to simply do him myself. But, that would achieve only one of the objectives we seek, and the lesser at that. So, I think we need to reorganize somewhat and, again, decide what our priorities are and how best to acheive them. I'm still pondering this aspect of our little op, so please bear w/ me for a while longer til I've had a chance to clarify my ideas a bit better.

>the fault lies in the compromise. viability. the
>definition of which is just as vague as life itself.
>complete viability or viability with the assistance of
>medical care is but one example.

My view sees that and MUCH more. But, the first thought I had after the afore mentioned explosion, was that abortion was the first issue we attack after setting some groundwork. IOW, I think you are definitely thinking along the same line as myself. What I'd like you to do is try to think of how you might go about setting him up in order to take him down using the abortion angle/issue. k? I've already come up w/ what I believe is a suitable way, but I'd like you to see if you come up w/ a similar one w/o any hints from me. IMO, the most important objective of this op is to help you and the others to understand the methods and techinques that I often employ almost w/o really thinking of them in a conscious sense. Would you all agree w/ that?

>anyway, it's probably a weak position for debate but
>worth knowing.

Try not to think in terms of debate on "an" issue or position, think how you might undermine his entire system of thought in all its myriad contradictions. As I said before, the key is to attack from ALL angles, not a single one. The trick is to tie them together in a coherent and logical manner. I honestly don't think there's any single issue on which he and I might disagree that I couldn't use to take him down using the method described above. I really think that's largely what's responsible for my successes w/ regard to debate.

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