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Date Posted: 19:01:15 01/16/03 Thu
Author: TOB
Subject: Re: 2004 GTO
In reply to: Tom DiStasio 's message, "2004 GTO" on 13:26:08 08/20/02 Tue

Your out of your mind. This car is expected to put out over 360hp and have a top speed of 160mph. Its a v8 6-speed RWD too. How can you complain about that! Hey, they arn't doin it here in America and havent been doing it since 1970. So who cares if it didn't come from America, if its out there i want it whether it comes from Detroit or Australia. And as for retro styling, and your whole it "looks too plain" and "it doenst look like a GTO", well its not "GTO", its better, lets not forget that the first GTO's where warmed over Tempest/Lemans, nothing special about that, I mean they came in 4 doors, and wagons. I suppose we could throw a bench seat in there too right guys, the first GTO's had those. Theres no pleasing some of you, its not 1970 anymore, the auto industry has moved on like most of us and if you dont like the new ones go buy yourself a vintage goat, theres no shame in that. And when I see you out on the interstate I'll give you a wave as i go by. The hot chick in the seat next to me won't wave though, she'll be using that "bottle of matching nail polish."

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Re: TOB-2004 GTO -- Mike Allen, 00:27:28 01/18/03 Sat

Hey TOB, or who ever you are, you can�t be serious! I don�t know who you were responding to with your comment and of course you are as entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else, but I must point out what you don�t seem to be getting.

Let�s keep this basic and to the well known muscle cars from the main four auto manufactures, Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet and Mopar.

The 2004 Pontiac GTO has a V8 RWD 360HP, 6-speed manual or 4-speed auto transmission. Not bad, but the problem is when you compare it to its competition the GTO horsepower is as common as its looks. I would have preferred that the GTO was built in America, but if it had the looks and horsepower that the GTO deserves I really would not care where it was built. I don�t deny that the old Pontiac�s had a distinct look, but the 64, 65 and 67 GTO was a stand alone muscle car that took hold and was recognized at first glance. That is the biggest problem with the 2004 GTO as it stands right now. If Pontiac does not change the pathetic common look it has now, no one will know it is a GTO until they get close enough to see the emblem on the side of the car.

Here is the problem:

The 2003 Mustang, V8, 4.6, RWD, 400HP, 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto transmission. One look and you know what it is, it looks as fast as it is. I am not a Ford man, but I have to give credit where it is deserved and Ford has an upcoming retro Mustang that is going to fly off the showroom floor.

The Ford 427, V8 427, RWD, 32 valve, 490HP. As far as looks go, the Ford 427 has a larger problem than the 2004 GTO. The ford 427 is not common, it is butt ugly, but you got to love that motor.

The 2003 Corvette Z06, 5.7, RWD, 16 valve, 405HP 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto transmission. One look, one Corvette.

Dodge Viper, V10, 500HP, 6-speed manual transmission. As for looks, well you get what you pay for and a Viper will cost you.

You are right, it is not the 70�s anymore and the auto industry has moved on, but unfortunately, it appears that Pontiac can not keep up. I am sad to say it, because I conceder myself a Pontiac man, but I wont buy a generic looking car just because it has a GTO emblem on the side. The only way that the current 2004 GTO will sell in the United States is if Pontiac keeps the price under 20,000 and then there will be a market for those that can�t afford a real muscle car.

If you are foolish enough to buy the current 2004 GTO as advertised, no on will notice you, your imaginary girl friend or your imaginary muscle car.

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[> [> Re: TOB-2004 GTO -- anthony mansour, 18:41:08 05/07/03 Wed

dude, you may want to lay off the chics... you might find yourself having to look twice at the passanger side in one of these cars (kinda like greetings from australia sort of thing - the 04 is already road going) for what you essentially describe as imaginary and if unscathed (ie no incidents with the stoby pole), you may yet want to part with what otherwise could have been money for insurance premiums. it may come in rather handy if your shrink is not convinced when you confess of a the car that shot right past you at bazillion(?) miles an hour was pilotless. that though may be the easy part. the shrink may yet provide the best defense for being in the same area when said girls were laying down some fifty feet of rubber and a cop happened to be passing you by at that particular moment. but when cop asks you to testify against said girls you merely respond the whole incident was simply somthing that s/he was imaging.