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Date Posted: Saturday, December 29, 08:02:25pm
Author: Peacock
Subject: You also need to ask yourself some serious questions?
In reply to: Sludge 's message, "Is John not returning your phone calls?" on Saturday, December 29, 05:38:07pm

Ever hear of time outs. If the kids are not listening to you, you stop play. The TOs were there. Your comments on Lampley are not applicable in this game and show that your info is very biased. He was not on the floor when the Leon turnovers occurred. He was brought in after the Leon walk and we didn't have a problem coming up then. I agree the other players didn’t' come to help Leon out and yes that is their fault. Being at the game Dunne was not as obvious as you mentioned. Jenkins was probably the most rushed along with Leon so I wonder why you let him off and skewer Lampley. And Jenkins was right at the bench when he took one shot. We all know that he is the most non street of them all. So I assume you really believe he ignored Dunne in this situation. He went right by him. In the end your description here on Lampley was not applicable to him tonight while Jenkins should bear more if I use your original assumption. In the end, I fault the coach more here than the players as they more than likely do what they are told.

And as an intelligent man taking advice for possible non objective partisans, you need to ask yourself this rather poignant question. Why would you expect Dunne, being a rather serious task master, not to sit the offending non listeners. He had no problem with a 2 game suspension for Lampley for missing a study hall. Watching the Manhattan Rutgers game, Wenzel the former BE coach, said the object is to score when pressed. Think about it, this from the BE philosophy with all that talent. I believe Dunne wanted to action to be aggressive. Why because he did nothing to stop it. These kids are not as independent as you seem to imply here. At some point in time, you need to consider what they really are being told and not what some want it to be.

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[> [> [> [> You need to show more understanding -- Sludge, Monday, December 31, 08:25:17am [1]

I will give you some benefit since I was not at the last game and you apparently were. Still, I have witnessed enough and I consider my "eyes" for the last game reliable.
In any case, no need to make this all about Dunne or Lampley. Hopefully, you have the ability and balance to not blindly reach out and trumpet the cause for Darrell as a former poster has.

Yes, all are culpable for the last loss. No one is arguing otherwise. I agree, you attack a press and don't play hesitant. However, a distant 3-pointer is not my answer for being aggressive. Finally, where does your inside information come from that Lampley's two game suspension is a result of missing one study hall? I will again offer the customary perfuntory that we should not engage in personals, but would suggest you reexamine your phone book before making further calls :-)

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[> [> [> [> [> Well , you seem to forget -- Peacock, Monday, December 31, 11:28:36am [1]

that DL had a controlled game as well as a good game at Manhattan and was not out of control in this game either. If you wanted to use the word out of control you might have considered Leon's attempted penetrations into the middle which can be described as horrible at best. Not once but twice where the ball was lost and allowed Fairfield to pull away. Not the smartest moves I have seen.


The point I am making on DL is that most are jumping on the bandwagon about his supposed lack of discipline and that is irresponsible. Your comment about leaving school at the end is a perfect example of that. If the kid self destructs, so be it, but a simple observation during warm-ups showed me that his interaction with other team mates is not the pariah some have said. The info on suspension was hearsay from around the stands.

In addition, I disagree with oldtimer on creating. DL is a better creator than Leon as well as the better ball handler. However Leon appears to be the better listener and thereby gets the nod. My own personal feeling was that DL is better suited for the two anyway as he can get open more readily than Leon. One fact so far has been neither has shown a good head for smart basketball. And whether you accept it or not, I was touting Leon when all others were spouting Lampley.


Another factor in your post that was irresponsible is insinuating that the team is basically dumb, suggesting a change in teaching method. Like it or not, that indicts Dunne also for if he doesn't understand the capacity of his team to absorb, he is not long for the job, as there are going to be more capable head cases if the wishes of everyone for a decent team is realized.

A second point that I was making was not to classify Dunne with my feelings for Leckie, but to point out that he must also be held responsible for what does look like unprepared situations in the game. End game shots that result in deer in the headlights attempts by the whole team reflects back on him and not necessarily the players. Losing the game is not the issue, but 11 games and all but 2-3 games against the pits of D1 and we get three wins. This is Dunne's second year and we don't even expect a 500 season, but is it unreasonable to expect some wins against the poor competition we have faced so far this year.

I only hope they put some decent wins on the board because that have already given up the easier part of the schedule.

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[> [> [> [> Post-script -- oldtimer#1, Monday, December 31, 12:12:09pm [1]

Think we are all basically saying the same thing i.e. plenty of blame to go around. A coach should take some of the credit for wins but also blame for losses. Both Sludge and Peacock made that quite clear.






Some clarification on the timeouts. In the last six plus minutes 6 timeouts were called. Two media timeouts, two by SPC and two by FFD. We had a nine point lead AND the ball with 3:50 remaining. Dunne, at that point called a TO. This was followed at 3:35 with a media TO - plenty of time to give instruction which is obviously what Dunne did.









Now one can debate what that instruction was, but we do not know since we were not in the huddle. If one is to criticize Dunne on this matter it has to be either on the instructions given ( I do not) or whom he choose to put on the floor (see my prior comments) not his failure to call TO's.










The fact is that not all of our shots were rushed from that point on. Lampley, I believe, missed one with twenty seconds taken off the clock. The most obvious rushed shot was that of Jenkins who fired one up with only 10 ticks off the clock following a FFD TO (2:00-1:50). Didn't notice Dunne but Morton, who has been mentoring Jenkins jumped almost to Wesley and was clearly upset. Don't even want to come down on Wesley here, shit happens. He is an outstanding team player who made a mistake. Plenty of that to go around.










Posted this only to get our facts straight. I like Dunne as a coach. Reports that I have is that he is a teacher in practice. Thus I would tend to side with Sludge's viewpoint that most of the problems are with the time available to infuse a lot of information, freshman adjustments, and some players who are slow adapters. I would also point out that while this was a good recruiting class, it has become obvious that there is only one immediate impact player, the rest are projects. The hype exceeded the reality. As posted before, a complete turnaround does not happen with one recruiting class. That said, this team should be doing better than it's performance to date! Everyone shares in that blame.





P.S. Peacock, with respect. Your characterization of Leon and Lampley in the FFl game is a biased as you claim others to be. I agree and stated that Leon IMO did not play as well as in previous games. However, you analysis and criticism of Leon failed to mention that he did have two beautiful penetration drives, one of which brought the crowd to his feet. Lampley, you fail to state threw several penetration passes away and was lucky enough to fight for a loose ball on his key penetration miss and get the ball to Leon for what, at the time, looked like the game winner. If you are going to analyze, be fair and don't omit things not favorable to your analysis.





Finally, you are entitled to your opinion about Lampley vs Leon penetration. However, by your own admission you have only been to three games. How then can you form an opinion? In the last three or four games prior to FFD Leon's drives to the basket have bordered on outstanding, some of which were key. In the Manhattan game need I remind you that his drive and finish tied the scoure with 22 sec. remaining and prior to that he fed Jenkins for a three. How is that for creating. When has Lampley done that? Lampley's attempt at penetration in the last several minutes of the FFD game was almost as poor as Leon's. Need I remind you that he was 0-3 in crunch time. Given his season shooting percentage where does he deserve to take three shots or even IMO be on the floor? I took pains not to criticize Lampley in this game but if you are going to criticize Leon be fair. He did hit what looked, at the time, like the game winning basket. Not a good game by any means but Lampley was no bargain either. Happy New Yesar to all!

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[> [> [> [> [> You need to be accurate. -- Peacock, Monday, December 31, 02:22:07pm [1]

The comment "was lucky enough to fight for a loose ball on his key penetration miss" was indeed a penetration but a missed three that he went into recover after his miss. So I don't either one of us should try to play instant recall.

The comments on Leon were more to show his performance when it counted in OT. It was crunch time. I don't want compare either one, it is just this commentary that just loves to take the kids to task and not the staff. In fact Jenkins is constantly given a pass other than maybe two great games and I wonder which of us is really biased.

My questions were,

Is the talent there? or

Is the coaching up to snuff?

From this you have now downgraded our talent. I am just not ready to do this.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Needs to read -- Peacock, Monday, December 31, 02:23:21pm [1]

was indeed not a penetration

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You need to be accurate. -- oldtimer#1, Monday, December 31, 02:33:23pm [1]

Please don't put words in my mouth. With regard to talent I stated that we have to date one impact player, the rest are projects. Do you disagree? I also stated that some of our players were overhyped by one particular poster do you disagree?




Saying that we have several projects does not translate into saying that we did not recruit talent. Almost all our recruits are legitimate DI players with several having outstanding potential. Again, do you disagree?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You need to be accurate. -- Peacock, Monday, December 31, 02:51:02pm [1]

No comment on the Lampley misquote. Bottom line I haven't seen an impact player as yet. Yes I have seen some that are specific fan favorites. While I think jajk does lend to overhype to the point of stupidty, he did it only on two players, Lampley and Jenkins. It would appear you have agreed on one of the players.

By the way great first half by Leon at Providence. In the end I expect five new players to be of value and fully expect Bacon to be one of them also.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You need to be accurate. -- oldtimer#1, Monday, December 31, 03:27:38pm [1]

We agree!

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