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Date Posted: Friday, February 08, 12:04:48pm
Author: Eport
Subject: Re: No "point" in this one
In reply to: Coach Knight 's message, "Re: No "point" in this one" on Friday, February 08, 11:51:07am

What happened to Orta and Sowell in this game? Orta's line of 4 Pts., 0 Rebs. and Sowell's 5 Pts., 4 Rebs., 0 blks. are way below par. Can't believe Orta, who is probably the team's best shooter only took 4 shots.

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[> [> [> [> Re: No "point" in this one -- Cindy Crawford, Friday, February 08, 01:16:53pm [1]

Raul came out with right wrist heavily taped. Removed it at the half and only saw limited action.
Sowell did not match well against Tuck. He was not getting particularly crisp passes from the guards and was frequently double and triple teamed.He simply did not appear fast enough to overcome getting the ball as far from the hoop as he was being forced to go . He also played limited minutes because of this--23.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: No "point" in this one -- Eport, Friday, February 08, 01:27:22pm [1]

Thanks for the heads-up.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: No "point" in this one -- jajk, Friday, February 08, 02:29:16pm [1]

How are we now lumping Leon and Lampley together as to their potential to be a PG? Nick had a substantial amount of time at this position knowing that he was going to play a lot of minutes at this slot even if he made significant number of miscues. Leon plays hard and has bb talents(obviously we want him on the foul stripe where everyone else has struggled) but I get concerned about Dunne's potential when he went as long as he did with Nick being asked to do something that he just is not suited for.

Now Lampley was not a point in HS and hopefully we know that this is a position that takes time to adapt to. I think anyone who is being fair at all would say Darrell has not yet had the opportunity to show his skills or mindset at this slot. Let's not treat Darrell like Giant fans treated Eli in a similar position of learning how to be an NFL quarterback. Darrell obviously has not proven yet that he can be a PG for a successful MAAC program. But there is no question in my mind that he has shown the potential to do it. He has the quickness and handle to do it and is a sufficient scoring threat to do it.

Lampley has to get better at certain things but point guards do not operate in a vacuum. A big part of their success depends on their coach maximizing their strengths and minimizing their weaknesses but even more important on showing confidence in them. I always rermember Coach K at Duke putting up with many miscues and agggressive plays from Bobby Hurley early on because he was a good enough coach and talent evaluator to know tht Hurley would go on to become a great college point guard.

I did not see the game in person so this is from the perspective of viewing it on the computer. But from that perspective,I can not understand emphasizing this games performance from the perspective of what Darrell or indeed Nick did or did not do. There is a big overemphasis here,I believe, on measuring PGs by their assists numbers. A point guard can't make the open J off his own pass nor can he make the lay-up. I measure a point guard more by how he opens up the court and the energy and movement of the whole team when he is on the court. My thought is that Lampley and Bacon will eventually do things for us together since Ryan knows where to be when a PG dribble penetrates,has good hands and can finish. Let the two two of them have a fair chance to show it. And Dunne,.put them in a position to do it.

As far as pg on defense, I would be the first to admit that having a small-sized one is a negative at times.It does help out the opposing PG making entry passes and dribble and dishes. I will also agree that Darrell is still getting beat at times one-on -one with poor positioning. But I will still insist he is a lot like KeeKee was on defense,making up for those weaknesses with hustle,court intelligence and upping the whole team's defensive effort while he is on the court. There were a whole lot of defensive lapses last nightbut Darrell would be one the last that I would point to in this regard.

Lastly,Iwould like to know why Dunne took Lampley out at about the five minute mark last night when any miutes he gets at the PG now are so valuable in terms of doing something decent in the MAAC tourney and in terms of what slots are recruited for next year. Was it because he took a missed outside shot or dove and made the basket or was fouled? How many offensive options were available at that point. I believe that he subbed for Lampley with Tim so I would just like to stress that I had no problem with Tim in the game. As always,he played with tremendous heart which a few guys for whatever reason did not seem to last night.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: No "point" in this one -- oldtimer#1, Friday, February 08, 06:32:17pm [1]

Jajk, one of the worst posts I have ever read. Your rationalizations and ignoring much of the history of this season is insulting. Now I happen to like Leon better as a player than Lampley but I have also criticized Nick and supported your call for Darrell. Darrell has had plenty of time playing point this year and to ignore that as if he hasn't is pure rationalization. Nick has started but Darrell consistently came in early on in the first half usually to replace Nick at point, not play along side of him. Peacock made a comment before the season started to the effect that it's not so much who plays but how much they play. The difference in time played between Leon and Lampley is negliable. And, by the way, where is it written that only point guards can get assists?





You moan about opportunity and playing time but ignore the facts. Darrell has played significant minutes this year. He has played much, much more than most freshmen usually do. Now you begin to criticize and second guess Dunne if he doesn't play your boy enough. Perhaps you should go back and read an early season post by another observer who stated that Dunne stuck with Darrell, refusing to pull him, in several games where Darrell was out of control. And if you don't like that phrase, it was true.




Now you're trying to rationalize that the team is more intense when Darrell is on the floor. That's an insult to Orta and Gooding who take charges and are frequently on the floor diving for loose balls. It also insults Jenkins and Leon who have more steals than Darrell. Not badmouthing Darrell as he gives effort but to imply that he is the straw that stirs the drink is ridiculous.



Finally, if Darrell is to become our point guard of the future he needs to think pass and distribute. Others have called him selfish, I prefer to think that it's just not in his nature. He's a scorer, not passer. Check out his assists for the year without trying to explain therm away. Peacock is right insofar as assist totals do depend on several factors. But even taking that into account anyone who has seen Darrell this year knows that he is a shoot first type of player, and without trying to insult him I would not say that court vision and intelligence are his greatest strengths.



My attitude is to let Darrell be Darrell and not try to make him into something he is not. Darrell has skills that can become big contributions but he is not the hyped player that you made him out to be before the season started. Lack of opportunity is not the reason. Also let's stop making this a Darrell thing, our problems and needs are much bigger!!!

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