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Date Posted: Monday, February 11, 11:33:32am
Author: Spc Alum
Subject: Stop this insanity!

Okay here is my take for what it is worth. all I am saying is I disagree with some posters and agree with others. I am not out to bash anyone including the coaching staff but what I have to say is how I feel.

1) Some say that Dunne should get a three year extension and that the new AD has to accept those terms if he wants the job and would have no pressure on him if he inherited Dunne for that extended peroiod of time.
Okay if we subscribe to that theory then Dunne should have extended the same courtesy by keeping the players he inherited. He would have had a built in excuse that they were not his players and then brought in his guys later.
By the way, how much of a better record would we have with those players? I think more than five wins.

SPC fan, who said a while ago that your people from Seton Hall told you that Dunne was responsible for the Pirates offense. That he is a good X and O's coach. If I know you and the stand up guy that you are you would admit that your sources were not accurate. Scoring in the 60's will not win you many games. Not utilizing probably the 2nd best big man in the MAAC and one of the best shooters in Orta. Having the freshmen take more shots than Sowell and Orta is wrong in my opinion.

Recruiting:
The reason Coach Orr and his staff were let go was because they did not do a good job recruiting, especially in NYC. This reamains to be seen and their grade is incomplete. Which brings us to the developement of the players. Having seen some games from last year to this year I can honestly say that the staff is not getting the job done. Coach Morton is a good guy and knows the game and I believe he is going to be a good coach and have a nice career but who are the other coaches and what do they do? Big men need to get better not regress. Therefore I disagree with the logic of extending this staff. Cut our losses and bring a new coach with the AD! Have someone on the staff who is a mentor and someone who knows the game.

Enough of this Mediocrity! The MAAC is down and can be won. Have someone with a plan. Hire someone who can get the job done and not because he is nice guy. Which is debatable if you ask the inside people/players!

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[> Re: Stop this insanity! -- loyal, Monday, February 11, 11:44:34am [1]

That's the rub about a coach we all like.....a two year absence of noticable player development.
Three years is not long enough to completely turn a program with limited resources around.....but it is long enough to demonstrate the Bacon, Goodings, Jenkins and Lampleys of the world can be coached to improve during their first 12 months on campus....
Let's hope our guys show big improvement next season, Dunne earns an extension midway though next season and this becomes a moot point.

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[> Re: Stop this insanity! -- SPC Fan, Monday, February 11, 07:32:28pm [1]

I have a number of close friends who are SHU season ticket holders.I was told that they felt in Orr's final year when the team turned it around and made a run to the NCAA tourney that Orr turned the game planning over to Dunne. They all felt he was a very good X and O coach.
That said it's hard to evaluate at SPC when you're playing essentially 4 scholarship players last year and 7 freshman this year.
I agree with Loyal above that biggest indictment of Dunne is no improvement seen from the team over the course of the year. In fact an argument can be made that Orta definitely and Sowell possibly were better as sophmores under Leckie than they look now.No question Todd regressed last year but has battled back this year to his sophmore level of performance essentially. As to Raul he was better befoe the injury but still not as good as the player who helped us make the run in the MAAC tournament 2 years ago.
As to the players who left the team from last year no question to me the biggest loss was Kevin Spann. An argument can be made that he regressed from his form at the end of his frosh year as well when he was truly outstanding.I know that KiKi on the team made Spann.Sowell and Orta better no question but these players just looked better more confident and had more of a free wheeling less robotic look than they did or have had under Dunne.I dont know if thats all coaching or other ciecumstances. I'll leave that up to the others here to debate.
Lastly, how much better would this team be offensively if we still had Owes as well as Spann here ,both of whom could score and frankly were much more athletic than Leon and much bigger than Lampley.I don't know and doubt any of our regular posters here truly know the circumstances involved in those defections but they are part of the reason for the 10-44 results to date.
At this point let's see how they finish this year. I saw much better ball movement and harder defense yesterday than i have in a while this year.Maybe we can get 2 or 3 more wins though it looks like a longshot at this point.Biggest dissapointment, does anyone realize we probably go all season without a road win this year.This despite being right there in position to win at UMBC,Lehigh,LIU,Manhattan,Providence etc but lack of a go to guy to seal the deal.
We need definite help at the 1 and 5 spots with the last two scholarships and hope Gooding or Hogga develop into the 3 spot.I thought Akeem really had a fine effort yesterday and made some mid range jumpers which change everything for him.
I don't feel we should make a move with the staff this year as SPC Alum states above. I'm willing to give them another recruiting class to bring in more talent and see how the current crop develops. If as Loyal says above no progress is shown by late next year than a new AD will have a decision to make unless the administration ties his hands with 3 remaining years.

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