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Date Posted: 03:10:16 09/12/02 Thu
Author: Krot
Subject: Re: ß òåæ ïðî ´îò³â îäðàçó ïîäóìàâ.
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "ß òåæ ïðî ´îò³â îäðàçó ïîäóìàâ." on 23:50:35 09/11/02 Wed

===¯õí³é øëÿõ ïîìèòè âçóòòÿ ó ×îðíîìó ìîð³ ïðîõîäèâ ñàìå ÷åðåç Âîëèíü òà Ïîä³ëëÿ. Äî òîãî æ, éøëè âîíè ïîíàä ñòî ðîê³â, ìîãëè ³ â³äïî÷èâàòè äîðîãîþ.===

Òàêó ³äåþ øòîâõàëè é íàöèñòè, Óêðà¿íà â íèõ áóëà «ÐåéäÃîò³ºþ». Ùî ÿê íå äèâíî ï³äòâåðæóâàëè ¿õ ðàñîâ³ êîì³ñ³¿. Íàéá³ëüø «àð³éñüêèì», äî ðå÷³, â íèõ áóëî Ïîä³ëëÿ.

Íå çíàþ, íàñê³ëüê³ ïðàâäà, àëå ÷èòàâ, ùî í³áèòî ðåçóëüòàòàìè í³ìåöüêèõ êîì³ñ³é ïðîáóâàëà àïåëþâàëè Àëºêñººâà. «ïàíãåðìàí³çì», ì’ÿãêî êàæó÷è òîä³ íå â³òàëè.

Àëå Àëåêñººâà «îô³ö³éíî» á³ëüø³ñòü óêðà¿íñüêèõ ÷åðíÿõîâö³â âåäå âñåæ â³ä Ñêèò³â.

====A Major Cline Consistent with the Demic Diffusion Model

HGs 1 and 9 show complementary clines on the continental scale, from the southeast of Europe to the northwest (figs. 3C and D and 4B and E): indeed, when the Irish sample is further subdivided on the basis of geographic information contained within surnames (Hill et al. 2000), HG 1 reaches near-fixation (98.5%) in the west of Ireland. HG 9 reaches its highest frequencies (33%) in the Caucasus and in Anatolia (fig. 3D), where it is thought that agriculture originated (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). The strong clinal pattern of these two HGs, which together account for almost half (45%) of the chromosomes in our study, resembles the first principal component of genetic variation of classical loci and is consistent with the demic diffusion hypothesis. However, distributions of the remaining HGs are very different from these and cannot be interpreted as a simple reflection of population movement from the Near East. ====

Ïðî÷èòàþ âåñü òåêñò – â³äïèøó. Õî÷à, áóäü ÿê, ïðÿìîãî çâ’ÿçêó íå áà÷ó. ²ÌÕÎ íàäóìàíî.

+++À ïðîòèð³÷÷ÿ ì³æ âèñíîâêàìè ïðî "íîðäè÷í³ñòü" hg2 ÷è hg3 ÿ òàê ³ íå çðîçóì³â.

Òóò ïèøóòü, ùî Viking blood öå hg3, ùî ç’ÿâèëàñÿ â Óêðà¿í³ 15.000 ðîê³â òîìó:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/RelGen/haplogroups.html

À òóò ñòâåðäæóºòüñÿ, ùî Viking, Norman - ãðóïà hg2:
http://members.tripod.com/dellariola/id21.htm +++


1. Ñïðàâà â ïîãëÿäàõ.
2. ßêùî ãîâîðèòè ïðî Íîðä³éö³â ÿê òàêèõ, òî éäå ï³äì³íà ïîíÿòü â ïåðøîìó âèïàäêó.

Ñïðîáóþ ïîÿñíèòè:
«But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles».

Ñêàíäèíàâ³ÿ ³ Áðèòàí³ÿ, öå íå ò³ëüê³ Íîðä³éö³ Íåîë³òó (òî á³ø àð³éö³-ñóïåðìåíè), à é ϳâí³÷í³ Ïàëåî-ºâðîïåî¿äè – àáîðèãåííå íàñåëåííÿ. Äî ðå÷³ Çàõ³äíà ²ðëàíä³ÿ – ö³ëêîì òàì.

Òîìó ÿ é çàóâàæèâ, ÿêùî éäåòüñÿ ïðî “ñóïåðìåí³â”, çðàçîê ÿêèõ – Øâåäè, òî â³äïîâ³äຠä³éñíîñò³ äðóãå ñòâåðæåííÿ:

“Participant #1306 belongs to HG2 (Haplogroup 2) which is typically Norse, ie: Viking or Norman».
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Àëå ÿê ìåí³ çäàºòüñÿ âèñíîâêè ïîñï³øí³. ßêùî óâàæíî ïîäèâèòèñÿ é çðàçó ñïðèéíÿòè âñå çà «³ñòèíó», ãîëîâà ïóõíå. Àíòðîïîëîã³ÿ ìåíø ñóïåðå÷ëèâà. :)

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