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Date Posted: 00:25:01 06/16/03 Mon
From: TStruszka@compuserve.com (TS)
Very entertaining If this painting really exists, I'd like to know where I can see it.
From: MGHsheep
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SUBCONSCIOUS MIND WILL PICK UP A PAINTING THAT DOESN'T EXIST? OR PERHAPS IF IT DOES EXIST, SUB-C WILL PICK UP ALL THE ABSTRACT THINGS OF VALUE?
From: christopherscott@usa.net (Christopher Scott)
Why the concern with the Marble Lady? I realize that your concern with marbles stems from having lost your own long, long ago. I am curious, do you think your ability to read popular interpretations into something in order to fit your own world view makes you intelligent or creative? Do you hang out with people who think like you or do you search out new ideas that are utterly new? Are 'female identity fiction' and 'Post-feminism' terms you can even define, or did you find them in some first year Woman's Studies Course? I am not a subscriber to the "thingy Power Quarterly" although I found it amusing. In fact, those were the only three entertaining words in your message. Why are you so serious? I don't know you from Adam (or perhaps I should say Eve lest I succumb to male dominated moral hegemony). Perhaps you subscribe to "Vagina Power Weekly". I don't know. Why the obsession with the male/female power struggle? How could you possibly know what the artist intended to show, or what he meant by all the elements? There tremendous leaps in logic in your prose, in which one interpretation supports another supposition ad nauseum until it appears you have proven a point. Much of academia is built on such logic and this inherent flaw has weakened many of the social sciences. The logic of such arguments is based on the presumption that as long as the central hypothesis is 'correct' it does not matter what flaws exist in the logic used to arrive at said hypothesis. I suggest that you paint your own picture...write your own story... create your own dream...you obviously have the potential as a thinker but are hindered out of your concern with being 'correct' and seem to think that the cannon of 'great' works defines the only important source of inspiration. THINGS TO PONDER....
From: amarlow8@aa.net (Stefan Knorr)
Zeit begleitet mich. Ich gleite mit der Zeit. Ich bin der gleitzeitgeist.
From: ABApainter
its an art beyond depressionism it harmonizes the concrete in an non objective way with an all over omni directional megalomania. its esoteric drama is totally on the surface and deterritorialized as sign through superlinearity it folds and unfolds like a card table as abstract machine functioning within the autonomous strata of art against art. it refuses to have a frame and can be seen by the blind it begs to be put in the center and speaks of proximity and law without concepts. its topic is the void an enterprise with an Asiatic non despotic formation beyond Marx Freud and henry ford. its an art that can hear but cannot say and spreads across the floor like milk without heat yet not cold. a hyper bourgeoisie flow overcoding mutation as assemblage where no assemblage be a sort of beginners guide in a manner of speaking to unequal exchange but on the other hand non controlling escaping to the periphery.
From: flwolf@gulfaccess.net
I still don't understand what Gleitzeit has to do with a missionary issue.
This word is used only in regard to working times in a company and means, that employees can choose a certain frame when they want to work.
From: Drennen, Graig @diacenter. org
I am interested in your manifesto, but I have a question> What is wrong with having a beginning and an end?
From: andrew2eyelab.psy.msu.edu (Andrew Hollingworth)
Sounds like this art is everything and nothing, the whole and the parts of the whole. that which was and that which will forever be, a visual deconstruction of the post-structural, the abstract grounded in the actual, the realization of unreality...
Andrew Hollingworth Department of Psychology Michigan State University
From: pingwen@rice. edu
that's really interesting. Not that in philosophy we always find 'the answers' but I know that even Confucious once said that he never met a man who cared more about his studies than he thought about woman. So I agree... indeed this is what the universe is mostly driven on...In art there is often the symbolism of "sacred and profane love"...
Symbolized so often by, ... I forget,.. Venus and Aphrodite??? And that's pretty reflective I think. So in those times when "thingy quarterly" comes out and the young men stare hours on end at the porno before them,... In those times, I'm sure us when they feel the least lonely and the most satisfied in the hunger of their seeking souls. And in those hours after having stared and done whatever else I'm sure is when they feel the most filled and happy. What do you think? Society's repression? (effectively oppression?),... or is there something indeed such as 'sacred' love which fills? maybe marriage,... maybe God, if Heís there... My own experience is ëyesí, maybe something of the imagination? hopefully something Real? All western philosophy begins with the question "Is there a God?" from that comes the 2 universes in which people may choose to live talk with me some more...
From: Guido.Poggi@netit.alcatel.it
very interesting manifesto
would like to know who you are and to have some additional informations
respect to the manifesto and to Mr. Y. Kotz-Gottlieb, who to contact and how (Urls or E-mail) I wish to join the movement.
From: jimmyc73@hotmail.com
I received your short version Gleitzeit manifesto. It sounded good. I am a painter from South Australia and often go through stages of self doubt (mainly due to the gimmicks of conceptual artists and the nihilism of the avant-garde) but am unusually confident in my faith of painting. Your ideas are nice and do exist within a painting.
From: bbrace@netcom.com (brad brace)
Sounds promising...if only it didn't have a name; -)
From: mcfallindustry@hotmail.com (angela mcfall)
Most mysterious message like a moment from Steppenwolf in which a golden door appears where it never existed before. I would like to see the long version of the manifesto.
lordchance@xoommail.com (Tracy Poole)
I find expression a means to an end. A way of keeping in touch with reality. This reality is only an interpretation of what one believes. I therefore can only perceive what Jaisini eludes to in my own light. If this affliction is real then it is most grievous. The spirit and not the form is what is important. Form is transitory at best. Sensuality on the animal level is not a form of expression but a device by which the species survive. On a higher level it becomes gratification. On the highest level it enters a whole new realm. At any rate, I wish to look beyond the mortal precepts.
lordchance@xoommail.com (Tracy Poole)
Any interpretation is a product of c circumstances and environment. Jaisini's work can only be viewed in the light of our own strengths and failings. Said views are transitory as our frame of mind changes. Case in point, my own views of life and death have changed dramatically due to my illness. These aspects have become more pronounced. The finer points of Jaisini's works become blurred and unimportant. This is not to say I can not appreciate those views but I must concentrate harded for them to have form. You have given me the gift of your insight. Few people realize how important the exchange is. Be forewarned that my part may be weak as best due to my failings.
lordchance@xoommail.com (Tracy Poole)
jaisini's concepts are interesting. I wonder where his visual perceptions manifest. If we speak from the media then the world will truly end at the turn of the century. I believe that if you ponder the common man's vision then you will see that the end only comes upon death. A narrow outlook to be sure but one which is easily understood by most.
You give voice to an artist's images.
mcpoirier@storm.ca
So OK, Yustas, where can I see this marvel of postmodern de-sexed sex art?
thony@ecentral.com (Anthony Lauro)
I'm intrigued, but I'd really like to see the painting before I can communicate anything intelligent about it. In passing response to what the text comments, I'd like to say that it sometimes strikes me as easy to observe that society is seemingly imploding from its own critical mass. What does that really mean/ If Cicero thought that society was dumbing down, how do we continue as society? The problem lies in the word continue. There is only the now. There is no past. We retain the past as a reference point, but society is now. It's new in every moment and is what we imagine it to be. There is more communication, there is more freedom, there is no more sex, there is no less sex, there is no more desire, there is more abundance realizing than ever before in human history. American society while seemingly materialistic on a purely plastic level, is only a reflection of the desire of our population. The fact that one supermarket in America contains more stuff than most countries in Central Africa is a testament to the desire of people here. We are allowing our imagination to run, to create worlds. This country in particularly manifests the infinite abundance of the universe and the material place that we inhabit. But this has the sound of judgment to it. There is no judgment of present or past. what are we allowing; what are we flowing energy to? What are creating that has never been before? What are we focused in this moment? That is all we ever need to be concerned about as individuals. Think globally, act individually. Ghandi changed the world, but he did by changing himself. he focused on only that which he wanted, what do you want? Do you want love, peace, hate, war, sex, food, art, commerce - what? You get whatever you want, whatever you pay attention to. attention must be paid! But to what I ask, to what? Again, I'd love to see the painting.
From: thony@ecentral.com (Anthony Lauro)
while your description is vivid and I assume complete, it is still hard to visualize such a complex and sophisticated piece of art. I like the symbolic nature of the 911 referent and the nature of the triptych both of which denote the number three. There are powerful numbers and of course that is another layer to the biblical imagery of the piece - the father, the son, and the holy ghost. The trinity is actually that which gives life to all that is, while I very much respond to ecumenical symbolism, I find that my sense of the universe and our place in it is changing. I no longer believe that man is separate from the eternal energy that drives the universe. I don not believe that Icarus is being judged by anyone other than himself and therefore his only option is that which he chooses. What does he want as the creator of his own temporal experience? Does he want harmony in his now movement? Or does he not know and therefore create by default like so many humans that have incarnated on the material plane. From this perspective, death is no the end of anything. It is simply a transition back into pure positive energy, the drive force of the universe. Birth is not to be rated better or worse than death, they are both the transitions from and into the eternal stream of energy that makes up all that is.
Why do we need to have continuity with the past? The past does not exist except for our discussion of it. Only the now moment exists. And that which we call firmament is simply a creation of our collective minds. Reality is shaped by every individual at every moment. Icarus is the archetype for all humans, because we are all creators. Evil, hell, monsters, etc. these concepts exist only because we believe in them. They have no independent reality. They are simply concepts borne from people that are not allowing their connection with source to flow through them. For even in physical form we are always connected to source. To put in Jesusís words, god exist in all men, all the time. There is no separation of time, space, dimension, anything we are all one.
I still want to see these paintings. Also, why are you writing about Jaisiniís work? Is it possible to see his paintings in museums or in books? Inquiring minds want to know.
From: jerry@neoncrunch.on.ca (Jerry Waese)
Jaisini; I'm getting messages but they tend to pass over and under my head, I wish you would allow some order to your rant, or some disorder to your heavy theory.
Presupposing some familiarity with color and shape to be evidence of superiority in an artist, or even that there is a real meaning in an artist producing a consistent series of good works other than he got through it again, misses the point.What a tower of Babel you seem to be attracted to.otherwise I think you are right as rain.I react as follows:
composition with no end and no beginning-yes
to achieve -wrong -a process yes!
visual flexibility-absolutely
theoretical flexibility -an unnecessary cryptogram! you need freedom from theory
Art based on the depiction-involvement more than depiction!
of a circle evolution of understanding and seeing.
-keep rolling - circle out circle back - love the process be the evolution!
A kind of art which draws upon imagery and seeks to reveal an abstract idea of the connection within. -this connection is dynamic or fluid
-only abstract if you don't have it - or forgot to let go.
itís flexitime because it has-you are not required to explain why it is flexible
-but good of you to take notice
multiple principles-oceanic.
it is a session of Hypnosis which controls you by a disorganized harmony of everything we ever expected-yes stop there!
It depends on the pattern of line as a primal creator of whatever associated or disassociated from the theme. -you have spent too much time in school.
The artist's mind is your real canvas. Be art unearth art from your universe. Let the canvas be exposed to mind, and the reactions take place.
The whole ego thing is just for marketing, it really gets in the way of the actual work.
So whatís it all about anyway, you gonna put some pix up?
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