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Date Posted: 16:49:23 02/10/17 Fri
Author: Knut Holt
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 179.53.179.41
Subject: HISTORIES ABOUT CHILDREN, TEENS AND ADULTS UNDERGOING STRANGE OR UNEXPECTED CLINICAL PROCEDURES

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Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood

Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interseting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm">http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm</a>
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THE HISTORIES HAVE MAINLY BEEN COLLECTED THROUGH THESE POLLS.

You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524</a>

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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395</a>

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327</a>

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976</a>

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807</a>

All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.

Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.abicana.com">http://www.abicana.com</a>

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SOME OF THE HISTORIES COLLECTED AND ANALYZED

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Girl, 12yo, Africa, Extensive pelvic examination at school

I am a female. I was a teenager, 12 years. The exam occured in Africa. Year 2000 or after. I was examined at school.

EXAM OVERVIEW:
They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones. They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. They inserted instruments into my vagina. They inserted instruments into my rectal opening.

ANESTHESIA AND ARRANGEMENTS:
I was given sadative or pain-killing medicines through my mouths. I was sedated but awake. I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: On my back legs in air.

EXAM OVERVIEW:
First they put my legs in holders. Then they washed between legs, then thet opened my vagina. thereafter pushed instrument in.","Then they did this, Afterwards finger in vagina and also finger in vagina and rectum. The exam ended by taking legs out of holders.
REASON FOR THE EXAM:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? Check my genitals","What is your opinion about thios experience? Very embarresed.

EXAMINATION OF THE URINARY SYSTEM:
They used a catheter to collect urine. They inserted a special catheter or tube to measure something inside my urinary system. They inserted a scope to look into my bladder.

GENITAL EXAMINATION:
They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They examined my vagina with a speculum. They took speciments (pap smears, etc) from my vagina with an instrument. They perfomed an ultrasound exam through my vagina.

RECTAL EXAMINATION:
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They inserted a speculum into my anus to examine it internally.

SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS AFTER THE EXAM:
I had a strange pain or irritation down my throut after the exam as if I had been secretly intobated. I had strange pain or irritation in my rectal zone and stomach as if my rectum or bowel had been secretly examioned. I had strange irritation in my urethra and bladder zone, as if this body part had been secretly examined. They catheterized me without any good purrpse as I could see." The exam did not result in any diagnosis.

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COMMENTS:

Some comunities around the world let either girls, or boys or children of both sexes undergo an extensive pelvid examination in the pre-puberty or early pubertial years. The exams are done at health centers, at schools or other types of places. Not only the genilatls, but also the urinary system and lower digestive syetem tend to be examined, and it is is thus more extensive than what is understood as a gynecological exam in the strict sense. By these exams one use varying degrees of anesthesia. Usually this is not openly told about in the communities, and the exam often come as a surprize. In some of these societies, the chiildren even do not know that kind of exam that took place, because they get general anesthesia with some dummy explanation. But symptoms afterwards and things happening before or after the exam can often be used to reveal what took place.

The same societies also tend to do the same with children at the beginning school age.

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Teenage boy, undergoing pelvic exam in a vehicle

I am a male. I was a teenager, Year 2000 or after. In North America. I was examined in a car or vehicle.

Exam overview:
They examined my rectal zone. They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. They inserted instruments into my rectal opening.

Anesyjesia:
I was given anesthesia into the blood-stream.

Exam in the urinary system:
I do not remember exactly how they examined my urinary system, but they did something down there.

Exam through the rectum:
They palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum. They took specimens from my rectum or bowel with some tube-like instrument.

Symptoms afterwards:
I had a strange pain or irritation down my throut after the exam as if I had been secretly intobated.

Follow-up
Medication as follow-up.

COMMENTS
It looks that this society used some great vans with an advanced examination room inside, and that they drove around to subject teenagers for some mandatory extensive pelvic exam. They probably examined him inside the urethra and bladder, and inside the rectum and colon with endoscopes. They probably also used ultrasound sonds on his genitals, his stomach, hip area and inside his rectum. The symptoms afterwards indicate that they probably also performed some endoscopic exam in his respirayory system.

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Girl, 14 yo, Eastern Europe, gynecological exam plus inspection of uterus

I am a female. I was a school-aged child, 14yo. The exam occured in Year 1980 - 1989, n eastern Europe. I was examined in a hospital. My mother took me to the exam that was done bt a female doctor. Ny sister was also present.

Exam overview:

They examined my genitalsand my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones." They inserted catheter into my urinary opening. They inserted instruments into my vagina. Injection and sound in my uterus.

Anesthesia and arrangements:
I was sedated but awake. I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: Gyno chair.

Sequents of evants:
First they let me sit on gyno chair. Secondly they fixed my hands and legs. Then I received sedative injection, They put catheter in to bladder. And then I got injection in to vagina. Then they put long scope with camera in uterus.

Reason and judgement:
I do not knoe the reason for the exam. It was the most painful exam I have had.

Urinary exam:
They used a catheter to collect urine and to take specimens from my urinary system. They did not examne my urinary system more.

Genital exam:
They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They sliprd scope in to my uterus.

Exam through the rectum:
They examined my rectum with an ultrasound sond.

Symptoms and observations;
I had strane irritation in my urethra and bladder zone, as if this body part had been secretly examined.

Diagnosis and follow-up:
The exam resulted in this diagnosis: Problem inside uterus. I had one more exame of uterus under anestesia. I got regular injectins in to uterus as follow up.

COMMENTS:
It seems that the girl did not know the reason for this exam. Possibly the mother or the school was concerned for her bodily development or for certain bodily functions, like menstruation. It could also be a mandatory exam all girls in the area were subjected to. The second exam under anesthesia was probably more extensive and possibly the whole urinary system and colon was inspected during that exam.

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Boy, 15yo, North America, complete school physical including genital check

I am a male. I was a teenager, 15yo. The exam occured in urses Office at the school. Year 1972. In North America. They told me to report to nurses office where the school Doctor did the exam.

Exam overview:
They examined my head, teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined the organs inside my chest. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals.","They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones. They inserted instruments into my nose and my mouth.

Arrangements:
I was naked at the examined body parts and at my genital/rectal zone, but elsewere clothed.

Exam sequence:
First they measured height weight. Then examined eyes ears throat. Thirdly they listened to my chest and stomach. The ordeal ended by genital exam/hernia test.

Reason and judgement:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? I hadn't gotten a required physical What is your opinion about thios experience? very thorough

Intimate exam:
They did not examne my urinary system. They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. They did not du any rectal or bowel exam.

Observations:
Nothing real weird happaned. The exam took a very long time. The exam did not result in any diagnosis.

COMMENTS:
The orthopedic exam where the hip joints are examined by flexing and spreading legs are often done with the pelvic region naked. The indication about clothing points to that having been done with this boy. In that case an inspection of his rectal opening was probably done during the orthopedic exam.

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I am a male. Year 2000 or after. In western Europe. I was examined in a health centre.

Exam overview:
They examined my head, teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined the organs inside my chest. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals.

Arrangements:
I was clothed at the body parts that were not examined.

Exam sequence:
First they checked my eyes and ears. Then checked my Heart and lung. Thirdly they checked my penis and foreskin and my testicles. The exam ended by talking about the results.

Urinary and genital exam:
They did not examne my urinary system.

They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening.

Rectal and bowel exam
They did not du any rectal or bowel exam.

Reason and judgement:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? If it is all OK. Nothing real weird happaned.

Diagnosis.
The exam did not result in any diagnosis.

COMMENTS
It looks like this was a standard check of health status and development.

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I am a male. I was a school-aged child. Year 1990 - 1999. In North America. I was examined in a hospital.

Exam overview:
They examined my genitals.

Arrangements:
I was clothed at the body parts that were not examined.

Exam sequence:
First ask me to lower my pants. Then pulled my pants and underwear down to my knees. Third cup my scrotum and feel each of my testicles. The forth thing they did: Slide back my foreskin several times.

Urinary and genital exam:
They used a catheter to collect urine, They used a caheter or tube to take specimens from my urinary system. They inserted a special catheter or tube to measure something inside my urinary system. They inserted a scope to look into my bladder. I do not remember exactly how they examined my urinary system, but they did something down there. I suspect they examined my urinary or genital system under anesthesia, but I do not remember.

They did not examne my urinary system.

They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening.
Rectal or bowel exam:
They did not du any rectal or bowel exam.

Judgement about the ordeal:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? It was akward and felt strange. What is your opinion about thios experience? I enjoyed it. Nothing real weird happaned.

Diagnosis or follow-ups:
The exam did not result in any diagnosis.

COMMENTS:
The ansawr is ambiguous about what actually happened. It looks like he was sedated and only remember small elements and therefor is unsure about what happened and what did not happen.

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I am a male. I was a teenager. Year 1980 - 1989. In Russia. I was examined at school. Only me and the doctor were pewswnt.

Exam pberbiew:
He examined my head, teeth or jaws. He did an orthopedic exam. He examined my genitals, my rectal zone, did a general examination of my pelvic zones. He made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life.

Arrangements:
I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: standing and laying.

The sequence of the exam parts:
First examination of my back. Then heart auscultation. Then stomach palpation. Then genital examn. Then rectal exam. He also did a puberty function exam.

Genital exam:
They did not examine my urinary system. He palpated my outar male genitals and testicles, slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. He collected a semen specimen by means of prostate massage through my rectum. He palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum. He also did some more, these things were. Measurement of the length erected penis.

Recral exam:
He spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. He examined my rectum with an inserted finger.

Judgement:
The exam took a very long time. The exam did not result in any diagnosis.

What do you think was the reason for this exam? Physical school exam. What is your opinion about thios experience? Strange.

COMMENTS:

It seems like the purpose of this exam was to get a view of the pubertal status and look for signs of sexual activity.

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Boy, North A, intimate endoscopy at school, bladder dysfunction, treatment with catheter

I am a male. I was a school-aged child. Year 2011, In North America. I was examined in the medical section of a private school. I walked to the exam room early followed by the school nurse. A visiting doctor and a visiting nurse did the exam aided by the school nurse.

Exam overview:
They did an orthopedic exam. They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones. They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. They inserted some kind of tubular scope inside my urinary opening.They inserted instruments into my rectal opening. They used an ultrasound sound through my anus. They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas.

Anesthesia and arrangements:
I was given anesthesia into the blood-stream. I was sedated but mostly sleeping. I was naked at the examined body parts and at my genital/rectal zone, but elsewere clothed. During the exam I lay straight at my back first and then in stirrups.

Exam sequence:
First clothes taken off. Then had to go to the toilet. Then visual inspection and palpation of pelvic zones. Then they inserted a scope through my urethra and used it for more than 30 minutes. Eventually I was lifted onto a coach and lay with a blanket over me until I was fully awake. At last I was allowed to take on clothes and my parents came and took me home in a car.

Psychological test:
Two days before I had a long psychological test.

Urinary and genital exam details:
They inserted a scope to look into my bladder. They used a flexible scope in my bladder. They palpated my outer male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. They performed a ultrasound exam on my genitals, including my testicles. They examined my my prostate with an ultrasound sond into my anus. They palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum.

Rectal exam datails:
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They inserted a speculum into my anus to examine it internally. They examined my rectum with an ultrasound sond.

Strange observations:
I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my genital and urinary zone.","They said they should examine my stomach. Someone came and performed a psychological test even though I was called in for quite another thing.

Reason and judgement:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? I was surprised.

Arrangement after the exam:
They used a catheter to collect urine. After the exam I had a catheter when waiting for the sedation to go away.

Diagnosis and treatment:
The exam resulted in this diagnosis: They called the diagnosis bladder dysfunction. I had to have a catheter when I was sleeping each night during 3 years. My parents managed it.

COMMENTS
In many private schools children's behavior, development and health are monitored much more detailled than in public schools. There also tend to be a thight cooperation between the parents and the school to manage the behavior and health. Any kind of deviation from a strict normality scheme will typically be noted, then result in psychological examinations, then physical examination, and eventual treatment to manage the deviation. A pelvic exam with a thorrough inner urogenital and anal inspection will typically be done.

In some private schools all boys and girls will be subjected to such exams at specific age levels. I suspect this school did this with many of the children or even all of them, but without informing generally about it.

Surprizingly often the exam result in some kind of management of the genital and urinary functions of the child, like intalling catheter during night, and in some cases even have the child catheterized permanently for periods to help emptying of the bladder completely and to hinder sleep disturbanses or behavior deviations due to an incompletely emptied bladder.

What was called bladder dysfunction, could also be caused by problems with urination caused by uncontrollble erections, which is fairly frequent in boys when they enter puberty, or the sexual reactions of the boy was not tollerated by the parents or school.

It is therefore possible that the catheter had the purpose of calming down the sexual reactions of the boy by means of medication smeared onto the catheter or delivered through the catheter.

It is also possible that this catheterization procedure was used as a standard in this school for all boys that showed certain bahaviour symptoms, or even for all children as a general means of managing intimate behavior of the children during the preteen and earliest teenage period.

I wonder if this school was either a montessori school or a school where ballet or gymnastic was a special or big subject on the curriculum, since these kind of schools tend to use such kind of arrangement.

Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no

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