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>>>The table provided by Anderson is interesting and may >>>be accurate with respect to numbers built although >>>they seem quite high for the Hemmemmaa's and >Turuma's, >>>but they definitely diverge significantly in gunnery >>>details from information that I have on captured >>>Swedish ships in Russian hands. The dimensions are >>>close to those taken by the Russians and the >>>differences may relate to different systems of >>>measurement, but the armament for the Hemmenma's and >>>Turuma's is very far off. with respect to both >numbers >>>and calibres. 24x36 pdrs!!! These <u>must be >>>misprints</u> of some sort. I wonder what Anderson's >>>source was? >>> >>>You are correct about the names standing for >provinces >>>in Finland, at least with respect to Hemmemmaa. All >>>the larger types were grouped together in Russian >>>service as Shebecks (from Xebec, Zebec, etc in the >>>Mediterranean) and were rather similar to the Russian >>>rowing frigates. >>> >>>As for von Pivka, he immediately irritated me by >>>referring to "the Englishman Chapman". May Jan >Glete's >>>ghost haunt this Prussian to the end of time! Fredrik >>>Henrik af Chapman had an English father, but was >>>Swedish to the core in upbringing,culture,and >>>loyalties. While he may have studied in England as a >>>teenager (and gotten himself arrested for suspected >>>espionage while sneaking around English shipyards). >>>Von Pivka's remarkable habit of discoursing >eloquently >>>on subjects that he knows nothing about and then >>>making a fool of himself over essential facts is >>>legendary. But the drawings and text are helpful. >>> >>>Again in your debt, >>>John Tredrea >> >>Nothing by Anderson on this subject in the first 14 >>years of <i>Mariner's Mirror</i>, up to 1930. Given >>that <i>Naval Wars in the Baltic</i> was published in >>1910, if he didn't write anything there by 1930, he >>probably didn't do it all, and I can't think of anyone >>else who would have. I don't have time for a more >>extensive search now. If you still need more info in >>a couple of weeks, ask again. > >Thanks, it was just idle curiousity. I know what the >Russians built and what they acquired from the Swedes >in combat, and wanted to round out my information. >Also, I have an excellent line drawing of a 25-bank >galley from Russian sources that is said to be Swedish >and to have been completed in 1749. The Russians never >captured a 25-bank galley in the 1788 war (although >they built some of their own this large) and now I see >that Anderson lists nothing larger than 20-22 bank >galleys on the Swedish side. > >Thanks again. > >John Tredrea

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