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Date Posted: 14:37:42 11/03/09 Tue
Author: John Tredrea
Subject: Re: Swedish Swivels?
In reply to: Cy 's message, "Re: Swedish Swivels?" on 11:54:58 11/03/09 Tue

Cy,

This is certainly too big for a swivel gun unless our forebears were herculean. This is a mystery of sorts. Mounted even on small carriages, such guns and their crews (2-3men?) would have taken up a lot of deck space.

John Tredrea


>John
>
>Not sure how big a naval 3-pounder was, but I used to
>occasionally crew an ECW reproduction minion (3 1/2
>pounder) field piece. (called Thor)
>
>That gun and carriage weighed in excess of a ton and a
>1/2, had a barrel length of 6 and a half feet
>
>see the link below for a couple of pictures.
> >href="http://www.johnbrights.org.uk/html/artilleryman.h
>tml">http://www.johnbrights.org.uk/html/artilleryman.ht
>ml

>
>It just seems a bit big for a swivel, certainly at
>various times 4-pounders were used as main armament on
>smaller vessels, before being replaced by light
>carronades (usually 12-pounders) later in the period,
>and 3-pounder carriage guns were not that unusual
>early in the 18C
>
>Cy
>
>>>Gents
>>>
>>>looking through Ted's list or the Swedish rowing
>>>fleet, I became aware that I had no idea what the
>>>numerous 2 and 3 pound guns listed were.
>>>
>>>I assume they are some form of heavy
>>>swivel/anti-personel weapon rather than a light
>>>carriage gun, but would welcome enlightenment from
>>>anyone who has more details.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>Cy
>>
>>
>>I have without thinking assumed they were swivels. Any
>>gun below the 5 pounder, or saker, level was
>>considered only as antipersonnel and incapable of
>>damaging the ship itself. I have seen wildly
>>different gun ratings for the same ship that relate to
>>the fact that some people exclude 3 and 4 pounders
>>from consideration. Just how big is a 3 pounder
>anyway?
>>
>>John Tredrea

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