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Date Posted: 11:11:30 01/22/04 Thu
Author: wwolfe
Author Host/IP: 161.149.63.100
Subject: As I said elsewhere...
In reply to: Kuzibah 's message, "Angel 5/10- SPOILERS!" on 10:38:56 01/22/04 Thu

I have to start by saying how completely and deeply off-putting I found the use of Buffy in Angel's dream. I found it sleazy in and of itself, and also a cheap and blatant exploitation of the deep fondness so many of us have for the character and the show. I can't help but wonder if Sarah heard that this little scene was being filmed and decided on the basis of that fact that she wouldn't make a guest appearance on the show, after all. Or was THIS supposed to be her guest appearance? If so - sheesh. Whatever the case, shame on the people who thought of it. No class, fellas.

Apart from that, which left a major bad taste in my mouth for the rest of the episode, making it very difficult for me to renew my suspension of disbelief, I thought the episode suffered from way too much dependence on Eve. Both the writing and the playing of this character are so inept that any episode which focuses on her must suffer as a result.

On the good side, I agree with your observations about Wesley in this episode (and, sadly, also with what you said about the misuse of his character over the course of the season). I was a little confused with why I was supposed to be viewing Wes and Gunn in such an ominous light when they appeared at Spike's door, but otherwise, Wes all good. The best aspect of the episode, and probably the most interesting philosophical issue raised this season, is the continuing debate over whether bad means can be, or ought to be, used to achieve good ends. This has special resonance at this moment in our history, although it would have been relevant at any time since World War II, and I appreciate that they aren't offering any simplistic, self-righteous moral pronouncements. The shades of gray and the insistence on the difficulty in answering the question are refreshing.

Do people think the show has now found a purpose for Spike?

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[> All I have to say... -- Mo, 11:50:02 01/22/04 Thu (24.128.159.238)

Is that watching THIS episode when suffering from a fever of 101 is like watching Alice In Wonderland on 'shrooms.


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[> [> I'm fighting a flu, too. -- Anthony, 12:21:03 01/22/04 Thu (67.160.214.245)

And man, did I feel Angel's pain last night or what.


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