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Welcome to (www.voy.com/40560/):We have created an image of an omniscient, invisible, all powerful, magical old man in the sky, we call "God". The truth is there is more evidence of the existence of extraterrestrials then there is for the existence of God. There have been many recent eyewittness accounts of UFOs. Anyone seen God lately? However, I do believe in God. Why? Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Do I believe my distant uncle, Jesus, was the son of God? In a manner of speaking, yes (Matthew 13:55). But, I also believe he was the genetic son of Joseph, King de jure of Judaea. **Fundamentalism** (There is nothing fun about fundamentalism) Jesus was voted a "God" by the Council of Nicea in 325AD. The present Bible was put together in 367AD and those who chose what books were to go in it were the disciples of the teachings of Paul, Saul of Tarsus, and thereby chose books that reflect Paul's ideology. The earliest Gospel is considered to be that of Mark. Mark's Gospel is considered to have been written between 66A.D. and 74A.D. either during or shortly after the jewish revolt. I have a very different idea of bible history from the norm taught every sunday. It's not the typical fundamentalist resurrection idea. In much of fundamentalist teaching a literal interpretation of the Bible is required, not allowing for the possibility that many Bible stories were written by persons who were at an event but put pen to paper many years after the event had occurred. Many more stories were surely written by scribes being dictated to by persons who were at an event, but many years had passed since the event or, handed down as oral history. This is not even to mention the possibility of intentional changes being made to a story to make one's self or one's family group or tribe look good or another tribe look bad or, to have one's own point of view, such as that of Saul of Tarsus, be put forward in place of the truth. Therefore, in the fundamentalist doctrine, any attempt to even discuss the possibility that any part of the Bible is inaccurate is viewed as an act of the Devil and, the inquisitive person is viewed as an instrument of the Devil. It is an attitude that crosses into the level of the insane. The Bible, as it exists today, is a product of not only an arbitrary selective process but of drastic editing, censorship and revision. In 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' a story of how one Professor Morton Smith of Columbia University discovered a letter containing a missing fragment of the Gospel of Mark in a monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, pages 318 to 321. In a letter from an early church father, Bishop Clement of Alexandria, to one Theodore. Commenting on Theodores suppression of a Gnostic sect that was interpreting certain passages of the Gospel of Mark. He writes **"You did well in silencing the unspeakable teachings of the Carpocratians. For these are the "wandering stars" referred to in the prophecy, who wander from the narrow road of the commandments into a boundless abyss of the carnal and bodily sins. For, priding themselves in knowledge, as they say, "of the deep (things) of Satan," they do not know that they are casting themselves away into "the nether world of the darkness" of falsity, and, boasting that they are free, they have become slaves of servile desires. Such (men) are to be opposed in all ways and altogether. For, even if they should say something true, one who loves the truth should not, even so, agree with them. For not all true (things) are the truth, nor should that truth which (merely) seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith." In the following Clement goes on to discuss the "misuse" of the Gospel of Mark by the Carpocratians. "(As for) Mark, then, during Peter's stay in Rome he wrote (an account of) the Lord's doings, not, however, declaring all (of them), nor yet hinting at the secret (ones), but selecting those he thought most useful for increasing the faith of those who were being instructed. But when Peter died as a martyr, Mark came over to Alexandria, bring both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book the things suitable to whatever makes for progress towards knowledge (gnosis). (Thus) he composed a more spiritual Gospel for the use of those who were being perfected. Nevertheless, he yet did not divulge the things not to be uttered, nor did he write down the hierophantic teaching of the Lord, but to the stories already written he added others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which he knew the interpretation would, as a mystagogue, lead the hearers into the innermost sanctuary of that truth hidden by seven (veils). Thus, in sum, he prearranged matters, neither grudgingly nor incautiously, in my opinion, and, dying, he left his composition to the church in Alexandria, where it even yet is most carefully guarded, being read only to those who are being initiated into the great mysteries. But since foul demons are always devising destruction for the race of men, Carpocrates, instructed by them and using deceitful arts, so enslaved a certain presbyter of the church in Alexandria that he got from him a copy of the secret Gospel, which he both interpreted according to his blasphemous and carnal doctrine and, moreover, polluted, mixing with the spotless and holy words utterly shameless lies." Clement acknowledges the authenticity of the secret Gospel of Mark. "To them (the Carpocratians), therefore, as I said above, one must never give way, nor, when they put forward their falsification, should one concede that the secret Gospel is by Mark, but should even deny it on oath. For "not all true (things) are to be said to all men."** It should be remembered that Bishop Clement did not intend for this letter to be read by anyone but Theodore. Thanks to the monks in the monastery we now have this important document to show us how the New Testament was rewritten, added to and subtracted from to be the book it is today. If the Bible has been rearranged, it can not be said to be inerrant. Therefore which sections of the New Testament can we trust as being "untampered with, unsullied, untarnished?" It seems to me with this knowledge, much of the N.T. must be suspect. For more insight I recommend reading 'Bloodline of The Holy Grail', by Laurence Gardner. A little about me, in case you're interested. I am a heterosexual, caucasian, married man and a former active duty U.S. Marine. The truth is I'm about as ordinary and boring as the day is long. My connection to this religious debate has to do with my Great Grandmother, Mary Ada Puryear Dugger, the mother of my grandmother, Rosa G. Dugger Barnes. Mary Ada was one of four daughters of Solomon S. Puryear, of Macon Co. N.C.,(Solomon S. born 1847). The name has also been spelled as Puryer, Peryer, Purrier, Perrier, Perere, Parar and many others; "Neferkheperure". Also, Saxeby-Perers (Shakspeare). Before 1066AD Perers came from Periers, now Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher, near Evreux, Normandy. They are descendants of Budic I, Count of Cornouailles, Brittany France, ca. 900 AD.(Reference,'The Norman People' by Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc. 1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, Md. 21202, pages 360-361.) It seems that Budic I, was the Great Great Grandson of Argant the Prince of Brittany, France (Reference,'The Plantagenet Ancestry' by Lt.-Col. W.H. Turton, same publisher, page 188.) It also seems that Prince Argant is the descendant, Great x 25 grandson, of James, the younger brother of Jesus Christ. (Referance, 'Bloodline of The Holy Grail' by Laurence Gardner, pages 184-186, Chart, Descent of the Rulers of Wales and Brittany.) This is how I am connected to it. If anyone wishes to contact me they can do so at, P.O. Box 1617 Scottsboro, Ala. 35768. I can be identified by two red birthmarks on the back of my right hand and three more under the same wrist, and two more very small ones on the wrist for a total of seven. All of which looks like a mape to something. It is only my wish to find truth. I am Michael D. Barnes, a.k.a. teltalheart. wink.com/p/michael_barnes


Subject: Post 240 A: Robin Williams Steals My Work!


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Date Posted: 00:24:52 12/08/09 Tue
Post 240 A: Robin Williams Steals My Work!

I never thought I'd ever say that!
I guess I should me flattered. They say imitation is the greatest compliment.

Two nights ago, Dec. 6th 2009, Robin did his latest HBO special. In it he made a sexual joke about "the ol' jezzum trail." Sorry Robin, but that belongs to me. See Post 153 A: dated 8/16/05.

As I have always said. If you're going to use my work I don't ask for money. All I ask for is that you give me recognition as to where it came from. He didn't even do that.
P.S. I do still own "teltalheart."

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Subject: Post 239 A: Gnosis II


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Date Posted: 21:42:47 11/24/09 Tue
Post 239 A: Gnosis II

A story has recently come to light about a certain Simon of Peraea who was a well educated and comely slave of the house of Herod the Great. When Herod died in 4 B.C. he led a rebellion against Rome and Herod's son, placed a diadem on his own head and burn Herod's palace to the ground. It's said Jesus might have modeled himself on this Simon.

I have a different theory.
I theorize this same Simon of Peraea was also known as Simon Peter. He is said to have been named 'Peter' by Jesus. Peter is a nickname meaning 'Cephas' the stone. It is akin to the word 'Rock' meaning solidity or solid-as-a-Rock, or "Rocky" as in tough. Some think he may have been Jesus' chief bodyguard.

The question is, was he killed in 4 B.C. or not? If not then he may have indeed been with Jesus. It is also possible that the chronology of the date of Jesus' existence is wrong by about thirty years.

If indeed he is this same Simon Peter, "The Rock", and Jesus live thirty years later than that Simon Peter, than Paul, Saul of Tarsus, the true architect and creator of the New Testement, had put someone at the head of the new Christian Church that he, Paul, had created who was an imposter that he, Paul, had selected for that purpose. Paul was a David Koresh type of character that saw a opportunity to take over the new religion and twist it into his own vision of Jesus.

Paul was not a Mason. But Jesus and his brother James were. James had brought Paul into the new religion when everyone else had shunned him for his former occupation as a bounty hunter for the Hebrew Synagog and thereby the Romans. James taught him some of the new religion, but not all, not the Masonic portions. Paul, thinking he knew everything put two and two together and came up with eight. He was sent back to his hometown of Tarsus to preach. Paul went on his own throughout the Mediterranean world preaching his, Paul's, new religion. Paul, being well educated, knew that those who get their own ideas out get heard and noticed. Paul, acting as a reporter who has shown up after an event has occured, interviews people about what they can remember about Jesus and the events that occured. Paul puts it all together and writes the now elusive 'Q' Gospel. Paul, years later, has his more educated followers write Gospels and dedicate in the names of Jesus' Apostles. Paul places a fake Simon Peter at the head of the Church so he can control him like a puppet master, because he knows he, Paul, would never be acceptable to the masses because of his former occupation. Thus the New Testement was born!

As I said, it's only a theory. But, it's my theory.
Until next time.
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Subject: Post 238 A: Gnosis


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Date Posted: 03:53:35 11/15/09 Sun
Post 238 A: Gnosis

I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day in the morning.

And what was in those ships all three?
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
And what was in those ships all three?
On Christmas day in the morning.

Our Savior, Christ, and His Lady,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
Our Savior, Christ, and His Lady,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Pray, whither sailed those ships all three?
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
Pray, whither sailed those ships all three?
On Christmas day in the morning.

O, they sailed to Bethlehem,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
O, they sailed to Bethlehem,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the bells on earth shall ring,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
And all the bells on earth shall ring,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the angels in Heaven shall sing,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
And all the angels in Heaven shall sing,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Then let us all rejoice amain,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
Then let us all rejoice amain,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the souls on earth shall sing,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day
And all the souls on earth shall sing,
On Christmas day in the morning.

At the age on twelve Jesus' parent find him missing.
They go back to the Temple and find Jesus discussing the Torah with senior Rabbis. This would indicate that Jesus could read, in an era where 99% of the population was illiterate. This would indicate that Jesus was of a wealthy, if not noble, household.

Most of the teach in that era was done in rabbinical schools, where young men and boys were taught to be Rabbis. Jesus is quite often referred to as "Rabbi" in the New Testament.

A Jewish father is responible for teaching his son a trade, teaching him the law - the Torah, and finding him a wife. These commitments are very much more important if the son is to be a Rabbi.

Jesus and Joseph are both said to be descendants of the house of David, the house of Juda (Judaea), descendants of the Royal line. Nothing is ever said of Mary being a descendant of the line of David. Then how could Jesus be a descendant of Davids line, if not through Joseph, his real earthly father?

That's all I have time for now. Just to let some who dislike my web page know, it does my heart good when you write thing about it like "horrid, just horrid!".

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Subject: Post 237 A: Happy belated Halloween/Samhain & All Saints Day


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Date Posted: 18:42:55 11/01/09 Sun
Post 237 A: Happy belated Halloween/Samhain & All Saints Day.

I hope your Halloween and All Saints Day were pleasant. I was home for Halloween; which has not always been the case. I gave out candy to the children, the usual, Hershey Bars, Nestle Crunch, M&M's, and Snickers. I also ate a few myself which provoked a two and a half mile run this morning. I later visited my mother's grave for All Saints Day and left a lit candle. I kept my Halloween tradition, which is to watch the last episode of Dead Like Me - 'Haunted'. I love this time of year more than any other. The colors of the leaves have as close as I have ever come to a magical quality.

I don't much care for the winter. But I do love Christmas. I especially love christmas carols; the old one from centuries past;(Robert Shaw is the best) The Holly & The Ive, My Dancing Day, I Wonder as I Wander, Shepherd's Carol, Carol of the Bells, Bring a Torch Jeanette Isabella, Patapan, I Saw Three Ships - which I have always suspected is about the Holy Families arrival at what would later be named after them - Ferriers (Perriers) on the coast of Southern France.

Some day soon it will be realized that Jesus was a Master Mason, a "Perrieur" and not a carpenter. Jesus was a "ho tekton", a "Master of the Craft", a term which all Masons of the Masonic Lodge know well.

Paul, Saul of Tarsus, was told Jesus had been raised from the dead. Paul, thinking he knew something, and thinking he knew the new religion well enough went through the Mediterranean world teaching 'his' newly created religion to the masses. He was teaching what he did not know to people who did not understand or know better and had no reason to question. Until we got what is now the Christian Religion, with all it's mistakes, mis-translations and falsities.
Jesus was, by the way, the True King of The Jews; a descendant of the Royal Line of David.

Sinclair - Shimenclair; the True descendants of the line of Christ are the Perrieur/Perrier/Peryer/Puryer/Puryear!

Peace be with you all, until next time, be safe and try to find joy in this life.
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Subject: Post 235 A: Biopsy Results.


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Date Posted: 23:13:46 09/05/09 Sat
Post 235 A: Biopsy Results.

I don't have cancer. I do have a prostate that's %50 larger than it should be.

Reading a Reader's Digest artical from the April issue 2009, page 88 "What's Wrong with Cancer Tests"? The story in this issue states ""Some tumors spread extremely early,"" he says. "They begin metastasizing when they consist of only a few million cells, which sounds like a lot but is smaller than the period at the end of this sentence - too small to detect with most screening tests. By the time this kind of cancer is big enough to be sceen ...,it's already sent seeds to other parts of the body."

So, I wonder, why all the testing? I suppose Doctors are trying to do what they can, and making a buck doesn't hurt, them. And after all, isn't that what we're all here for, to make Doctors richer!
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Subject: Post 234 A: P.S.A. Test


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Date Posted: 12:20:29 08/22/09 Sat
Post 234 A: P.S.A. Test

P.S.A. = Prostate Specific Antigen.

I recently had a bloodtest for Berkeley Heart Lab. My Doctor also ran a P.S.A. test. A level of 4.0 and under is considered normal; mine was at a 5.4 level. A test two weeks later came back with a 7.0 level. This was when the Doctor (urologist) my Doctor had recommended suggested I have a biopsy. The biopsy was preformed yesterday. The result will not be back until the middle of next week. But, on the brighter side, the Doctor said my prostate had a lot of calcium deposit; which could make my P.S.A. score higher than normal.
When I was overweight I used to drink a lot of whole milk. It was probably to compensate for the burning I was feeling from the acid reflux desease.
Today I'm just taking it easy as I have just had six holes punched through my colon and into my prostate. I must say it is a bit unnerving to see myself urinating blood. So I'm taking the med. Doxycycline (a tetracycline) my urologist prescribed, and hoping I don't get a infection.
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Subject: Post 233 A: Teltalheart.com is not mine anymore. SOCA!


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Date Posted: 13:17:43 08/04/09 Tue
Post 233A: Teltalheart.com is not mine anymore.

I didn't update my domain name for teltalheart and some comapany, that had waited until I built up a reputation, came in and bought it.

I, like all of you, have been trying to cut back on expenses. My spouse, you know, the one that cheated on me with Dr. Charles M. Pendley, well, she never had any faith in me in my online endeavors anyway. She would always roll her eyes every time I updated my online domain name. This even after I found out here recently that she had put us into almost $28,000 worth of credit card debt.

As you may or may not know the story, about six years ago our house burnt. We had gotten a P.O. Box to get our mail at while the house was being rebuilt. Well, we never canceled the P.O. Box. She was having all these bills sent to that Box. Since she gets off work before I do she was picking them up before I ever saw them.

She was paying off one credit card with another for years and only paying the minimum. She continued to spend until about 2003 or 2004. She has never been able to explain fully where the money went. She says appliances that we lost in the fire and vacations. Well, we received a nice check from the insurance company that could have taken care of that debt. So why didn't she come to me then and tell me? I can only conclude that there were other things on it that she didn't want me to see, such as hotel bills, local hotel bills. She also admitted she wanted to continue spending and that she had a problem with spending, which she has never bothered to get help for.

I have had to mortgage my home, again, to pay off these credit card companies. As we all know credit card companies are the Devil Incarnate, and Congress will not stop them because Congressmen and women have stock in many of these companies. Yes, the United States has the best political system money can buy. It's ripe with bribery. Why else would people making millions of dollars a year chose to run for office for positions making little more than $100,000 a year!

As you may also know, after she begain cheating on me I didn't care about much anymore. I ate anything and everything I wanted. I got to a weight of 230 lbs. at one time. That's a lot for a guy 5 foot 7 inches. I've lost a lot of that weight, mostly due to weight watchers. As of today I'm 156.6 lbs. I like being about 155. I do work out and jog, by the way.

I had at one time seen a psychologist about the depression she, the spouse, had put me in. The Psy. gave me a psy. evaluation test and also gave one to the spouse. The Psy. said the spouses test was "normal"?! Well, couldn't the test tell the spouse had a psychological problem with spending? Either the Psy. didn't give her the test or the test is faulty, as is a FAILURE. Basically, I tend to think Psychologist think anyone coming to see them must be crazy. Why else would someone pay good money to sit there and listen to some Psychologist say "and how does that make you feel?". I do think there is some good science behind psycology. I also think there is some bullshit and quackery behind it. It will never be much of a science until Psycologists get over their own perconceived notions.

I have also recently bought a new 2009 Toyota Tacoma. The advertisements promised 25 miles per gallon on the highway. It get 22.25 miles per gallon on the highway. A corporation lied, what a shock!
My old 1993 Grand Marquis get 23 to 24 MPG on the highway at 65 miles per hour and with the air-conditioner going. With the A.C. off it's gotten as much as 26.76 MPG.

So, now I have to cross my fingers and hope like hell she or I din't get sick or lose our jobs in the next four years. Yes, oh yes. I am most definitely one of you, an SOCA, a screwed-over common American. So, what's goin' on, SOCA?

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Subject: Post 232 A: My Y-DNA, R-1b1b2


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Date Posted: 16:13:44 07/21/09 Tue
Post 232 A: My Y-DNA, R-1b1b2, Shorthand:R-M269
37 marker Y-DNA of Michael D. Barnes

Test:
DYS# 393, 390,19/394,391,385a,385b,426,388,439,389-1,392,389-2.
Allele:13,23,14,11,10,14,12,12,12,13,13,29.

DYS# 458,459a,459b,455,454,447,437,448,449,464a,464b,464c,464d.
Allele:17,9,10,11,11,25,15,19,29,15,15,15,17.

DSY#
460,H4,YCA IIa,YCA IIb,456,607,576,570,CDY a,CDY b,442,438.
Allele:11,11,19,23,16,14,17,17,35,39,12,12.

The Alleles should be placed directly under their associative DYS#. As in the first DYS# being 393, its allele is '13' and should be placed directly under 393. That is how it is supposed to be read.

Allele: one of the different forms of a gene that can exist at a single locus. Since mutations in the allele value occur very slowly with time, one should see the same allele value for a male and his great-grandfather for example.

DNA Y-Chromosome Segment (DYS): a numenclature system which assigns DYS numbers to newly discovered markers. They are the "names" of each marker.

The "R" haplogroup came into being about thirty (30,000) years ago from around western Kazakstan or northwestern Kazakstan. If I had to hypothesis I would say the "R" haplogroup originated around Lake (Ozero, Issyk-Kul'); or around Lake (Kapcgajskoe-Vodohranilisce); or Lake Balkhash.
The "R1b" haplogroup came into being around twenty five (25,000) years ago with its beginning being probably around the southern Ural Mountains. The line spread from there through eastern Europe and into southern Europe.

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Subject: Post 231 A: mtDNA Haplogroup J2, Mesopotamia


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Date Posted: 22:27:40 06/12/09 Fri
Post 231 A: mtDNA Haplogroup J2, Mesopotamia

I have recently received my packet from Family Tree DNA.
My "Certificate - mtDNA" states that I am of the Haplogroup J2. The "mt" stands for mitochondria. That is what one inherits from their mother, who inherited it form her mother, who inherited it from her mother, and so on. The mitochondria DNA test is much more accurate than is the Y - chromosome DNA test.

The J2 haplogroup is apparently from the "Biblos" area, or as most know it the Biblical area around the Fertile Crescent. You know, Mesopotamia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, Palestine and Israel.

The J2 haplogroup bloodline shows up most, outside of the holy land, on the southern coasts of France, Spain, Italy and Greece. This seems to indicates it may have been spread by Greek colonization or Phoenician colonial and commercial activites.

It is found in the following ratio: Lebanese 30%, Iraqis 29%, Palestinians 17%, Sephardic Jews 29%, Syrians 29%, Kurds 28%, Jordan 14%, Oman 15%, Italians 20%, Turks 17%, Greeks 18%, Azerbaijanis 36%. Anyway, you get the idea. You might want to look 'J2 haplogroup' up on wikipedia.

Test:
1st Segment 16069T, 16126C, 16193T, 16519C
2nd Segment 73G, 150T, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 489C

Well, that's all for now. See you soon.
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Subject: Post 230 A: Shakspeare, Saxeby-Perers


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Date Posted: 15:19:12 05/31/09 Sun
Post 230 A: Shakspeare, Saxeby-Perers.

The ancestry of William Shakspeare was researched by Mr. Halliwell, in the Life of Shakspeare. The family Shakspeare had been one of the middle class. John, the father of William, settled in Stratford in c. 1550 where he combined commercial employment with agricultural pursuits. Richard was the father of John Shakspeare. Richard and his brother Henry came from two miles north of Stratford where they had occupied the lands of Snitterfield. The family had been residing in the parishes of Rowington, Wroxall and Packwood ten miles futher north. Richard Shakspeare died before 1460 (Halliwell). He had been a resident in Woldiche, or Oldish, in Temple Balsall. Those facts indicate the family had been seated in that area for some time. No other records of the family Shakspeare have been found in the area of Warwick.

However, three centuries earlier the name 'Shake-espee' or 'Sacespee' is found in the records of Normandy between 1180 and 1200. They appear to be a French form of the English name 'Saxby' or 'Saxby-Perer', 'Shakspeare.'
Rodger Sake espee paid a fine of 10s in the bailifry of Caux, near Lillebonne in 1195. William Sake espee occurs in the same bailifry in the year 1198.

The name 'Saxby' is derived from the manor of the same name in Leicestershire, which passed into the hands of the Norman family of De Perers from Hugh Musard who held it in 1086 only in part. William de Perers of Saxby appears to be the same as William Sakespee mentioned in the records of Normandy in 1195 and again in 1198. William de Pirariis had a dispute over the lands of Saxby with Henry de Perers, or Pirariis in 1174 (Nicholls, Leic. ii. 308).

The arms of this one branch of the family De Perers or Perire is: Argent, a bend sable, charged with three pears. The arms of Saxby are: A bend engrailed sable, on a field barry. The family Perers came from Periers, near Evreux, Normandy. Periers seems to be now called Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher. This brings up the fact that the family Ferrers of the Warwick, Leicestershire area seem to be a branch of the family De Perers. In 1156 Hugo de Periers owned estates in Warwick (Rot. Pip.). In 1165 Geoffry de Periers or Perers held a fief in Stafford. In the 13th century Hugh de Pererers held a fief at Sixtenby, Warwick and Leicester from Roger Mowbray (Testa).
Sir Richard de Perers was a Member of Parliament for Leicestershire in 1311; for Herts in 1316 to 1324; and Viscount of Essex and Herts in 1325.
Source reference; the book 'The Nornam People' Originally published in London, 1874. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.

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Subject: Post 229 A: 37 Y-DNA and mtDNAplus


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Date Posted: 22:44:39 05/29/09 Fri
Post 229 A: 37 Y-DNA and mtDNAplus.

I have recently taken a 37 marker Y-Chromosome test for my male; father's, father's, father etc. and a mtDNA plus test for my mitochondrial female ancestor. It seem by my Y-DNA test results that my ancient male ancestor is of the R1b Haplogroup. Or, to be more specific, I am of the R1b1b2 Haplogroup. The R trace marker is usually of caucasian origin and first begins in the region of the Caucasus Mountains, from which we get the name Caucasian. To be more specific the R Haplogroup seems to begin just east of the Caspian Sea in the area of Kazakstan and Uzbekistan, around the Aral Sea.

Line R1 moves north. Line R2 moves into northern India. The R1 line geneticlly separates. The line continuing into norther Europe becomes R1a. The line moving into southern Europe becomes R1b.

My mtDNA is:
HVR1 Mutations
1. 16 069 T
2. 16 126 C
3. 16 193 T
4. 16 519 C

HVR2 Mutations
00 073 G
00 150 T
00 152 C
00 263 G
00 295 T
00 309 .1 C
00 315 .1 C
00 489 C

Haolpgroup, Low Resolution Matches (HVR1)
J1d Bulgaria (142)
J1d Iran (171)
J1d Iraq (179)
J2 Austria (447)
J2 Azerbajan (68)
J2 England (5592)
J2 France (2047)
J2 Germany (6416)
J2 Ireland (5034)
J2 Italy (2148)
J2 Netherlands (810)
J2 Russia (1214)
J2 Scotland (2413)
J2 Sweden (1162)
J2 Switzerland (708)
J2 Syrian Arab Republic (52)
J2 Turkey (321)
J2b Israel (317)

High Resolution Matches (HVR1 + HVR2)
J2 England (2001)
J2 Ireland (1454)
J2 Scotland (727)
J2b Ireland (1454)
J2b Netherlands (216)

This still does not answer the question of the Puryear DNA. Since it is in the Y-Chrom factor one would need to test someone on the Puryear male side. I get my Puryear descendency through my mother's, mother's, mother line.
Until next time,
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Subject: Post 228 A: Abnormal Protein


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Post 228 A: Abnormal Protien

On Post 227A I forgot to mention that the Lp (a) Extended Range (mg/dL) of at risk (54) when it should ideally be under 30, is genetic. It's an abnormal protein in my blood. Simply meaning there's not much I can do about it. Exercise helps as does taking B-3 Niacin. Every time I say that I think of the movie 'Young Frankenstein'.
Frankenstien - "who's brain is it?"
Igor - "Abby somebody."
Frankenstien - "Abby who?"
Igor - "Abby normal."
Well, that's it for now.

P.S., I did tell you that I'm a Mason in the Masonic Lodge didn't I? Did I tell you that I'm also a Knight Templar in the York Rite, also a Knight of Malta and Knight of the Red Cross?
See you all soon.
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Subject: Post 227 A: P.E.T., C.T., Guesswork in a white coat. Re.


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Post 227 A: P.E.T., C.T., Guesswork in a white coat. Rewrite.

Well, my doctor sent me for a C.T. scan. It found a "1 1/2 cm pulmonary parenchymal nodule" in the upper right lobe and that it more likely reflects fibronodular complex from prior granulomatous infection. It also stated that "carcinoma is not definitely excluded."

So, my doctor scheduled me for a P.E.T. scan. That's where they do the same test but, they inject you with a radioactive dye. This dye shows areas where cells are dividing rapidly, which is what cancer cells do. Beforehand my doctor told me "this test does have a slight chance of causing renal (kidney) failure. I got to the outpatient clinic technician told me "no, this is not the kind of test that causes that." The result was (1)"...metabolically inactive with no uptake of the radiophamaccutical. This suggests against malignancy. (2) No other abnormality demonstrated."

The only thing I have to worry about now is, as I heard on NPR radio (89.3FM), everytime you get a scan it's like getting the amount of solar radition you would absorb in four years.

So, I'm fine for now. Now if I can just get the other guys's insurance (ALFA) to settle the damn claim. My insurance agent tells me the rule of thumb is three times medical bills. ALFA is offering an insultingly low amount.

The only other factor I have is the fact that I don't have much "good" cholesterol. My doctor uses a testing facility called Berkeley HeartLab, Inc. for advanced bloodtests. According to Berkeley I have "Lp(a), Extended Range (mg/dL) of at risk (54)" when it should be below 30. My doctor tried to put me on Niaspan which is a B3. But, it gave me severe headaches. So now I take Niacin over the counter. This factor is found in all races but, is most often found in Blacks and Mexicans (American Indians). I thought to myself, "yep, there goes that Hebrew and Egyptian heritage again."

Now I live with the loss of my beloved Chevy Silverado 1500. You have probably heard of the love affair between good ol' southern boys and their trucks.
"I love my truck,
it's right outside,
it don't give much love,
but I sho got a ride,
and it's always there to greet me." - Glen Campbell

I apologize for not putting anything on at the beginning of the new year, 2009 or 5769 if you're a jew. I was under the weather at the beginning of the year. My birthday was almost on Rosh Hashanah last year. The new year did not start off good for me. I have hit two deers in two different vehicles. One was my old Grand Marquis. Almost no used parts are available for older vehicles. Most of the old cars have been crushed into scrap metal and sent to China where they're using it to build their infrastructure. This was the same thing Japan was doing just before World War II. They bought up our scrap metal and through it back at us as weapons.

The Communist Chinese have figured out that without a gold standard to back up our currency it's based only on good faith and good will, ergo - pie in the sky. So, they have figured out that they can loan us money that they don't have and that does't exist in exchange for real money and assets back from us. As soon as the world realizes that there is no there there the world will go into total economic collapse.

I'll see you, my loyal readers, soon.
P.S., As you know deer on the side of the road get startled by the headlights and run directly into the oncoming vehicle. My nightmare is that one will run into me on my motorcycle. Yes, I ride. I have a 2008 Suzuki C-50T, 805cc, black. I love my bike. I think it's the best therapy one can have. The whole world just goes away when riding. The reson we wear leather chaps and jackets is to keep us from getting torn up if we go down. It's not a fashion statement.

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Subject: Post 226 A: Dead Like Me, Bye - Bye Miss American Pie!


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Post 226 A: Dead Like Me, Bye - Bye Miss American Pie!

It's amazing how you feel when you first hear it.
"But, we found something..."

Where to start? From the beginning. A few days ago I was driving to work. A guy pull out in front of me. He came across a four lane road and a median directly into my path. I tried to avoid him as best I could. But, as a witness stated "He (I) never had a chance." I slammed into the side of the bed of the truck.

Apparently, I had tried to cut to my left and go around the tail-end of the truck. My vehicle was smashed on the front passengers side the most. My vehicle slid sideways to the right and struck a guardrail on my, the driver's, side. I was taken to the hospital with neck and back pain.

I was X-rayed for broken bones. None were found. The Doctor came in, "Well, we didn't find any broken bones. But, we found something else." That's about the time your brain goes into suspended animation. "You have a spot on your right lung." And that's about the time you feel the blood drain from your body.

Today was the day of my C.T. scan. Now I get to wait. I get to wonder if I'm going to be here in 2010.
I'm not afraid of dieing. I would just prefer there to be as little pain as possible. Lung cancer is not the preferred way to go. What pisses me off is I don't smoke. I have never smoked. But, a lot of the people I work around do. Hey, thanks guys. Nice way to begin the new year.

When you get to be around fifty years old you get the feeling your apartment shopping every time you pass a cemetery. "Now, where do I want to be put?" you ask yourself. Especially if your hobby is like mine, genealogy, you spend an inordinate amount of time in cemeteries.

For some strange reason for the past year I've been feeling as if time is running out. Did I tell you I'm attempting to write a book. I just hope I have enough time to finish. No matter what we achieve in life all we ever really have is thoughts and memories, and those we leave behind.

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Subject: Post 130A. The Brotherhood of the Serpent/ A Satan Myth


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In post 129A. we learned that the E.T. known as Enki, brother of the E.T. Enlil, was attempting to free mankind's true self, the spirit, from physical bondage to mortal bodies that they had been traped in by the Anunnaki in order to serve the Anunnaki for all time, reincarnation after reincarnation.

Enki had created the 'Brotherhood of the Serpent' to teach and free mankind, only to have it infiltrated and taken over by the agents of Enlil and the other Anunnaki. Enlil and the other anunnaki continued the Brotherhood in the guise of seeking spiritual freedom only to enslave humankind even futher.

We have learned that Enlil, a.k.a. Jehovah, was not good, at least to human beings, and Enki the Wise Serpent was not evil and didn't want to harm mankind but to set them free of their bondage.

Now we go on:
Garbled mysticism and blind faith are hallmarks of Brotherhood organizations and societies under Enlil. This is, of course, to prevent mankind from bonding togather and to foster religious hatred and war, something the Brotherhood secret societies use to great effectiveness, to keep man's tiny little mind busy so he can't think clearly. Let alone, shall we say, "see the forest for the trees".

In a Brotherhood fostered religion inspiration is said to be a supernatural force or 'God'.

The belief in one "God" is a necessity.

Physical immortality is sought in the same human body.

Followers must believe in doctrine based on blind faith and blind obedience without much or any proof.

Followers must believe that "God" controls the fate of individuals and that the individual has no control over that power and must yield to it.

Followers must believe that the Supreme Being alone created the universe and the spirit of each individual played no part in it, for man and his "spirit" were created by "God".

Followers must believe that those to whom bad things happen must have "deserved it" in the eyes of "God" for some transgression the other are unaware of. People must suffer for in the end it will bring salvation and freedom to the obedient who endure it. Other Brotherhood religions taught predestination. The idea that ones soul is condemned or favored before birth and that one could do nothing, good or evil, to change it. Naturally these "Elect" or favored people would be born in mostly the "high society".

Followers are expected to believe that spiritual salvation depends entirely on the will of "God".
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The Satan Myth:

One must try to free ones self from the Christian dogma of the myth of Satan.
Nowhere in the Genesis story of the Garden of Eden is Satan ever mentioned yet it is the common practice in the Church to portray the serpent as the emissary of evil, or Satan himself.
St. Augustine developed and promoted the story of Eve's original sin from the above story as being both involving sex and being in league with the Devil. It reflected the early Church leaders unhealthy paranoia about sex and women in general. I suppose it reflected the fact that women brought new life to the world and thereby pain and suffering for another human being to endure.
Christian bishops rewrote the story of Adam and Eve as well as a few verses of Genesis to portray Satan as having been involved.
The Hebrew Bible does not portray Satan as he is portrayed in the Christian version. In the Christian version Satan and his minion of dark-angels wage constant war on God for the souls of mankind. The Old Testament mentions 'satans' (Plural). They are shown as the obedient servants of God or the 'sons of the gods'.
The Hebrew root word STN, from which satan is derived, simply means adversary, accuser or opposer. A 'satan' would obey Gods command, (Numbers 22:22)

A chief magistrate could also be a 'satan', accuser. (Zechariah 3:1-2)

Our modern idea of Satan was collected from a number of corruptions of passages. In Isaiah 'How are you fallen from heaven, day star, son of the dawn! How are you fallen to earth, conqueror of nations!'(Isaiah 14:12)
Many centuries later St. Jerome's 4th-century Vulgate Bible associates an evil satan as 'Lucifer', because the 'fallen day star'(Venus), has been redefined as 'light-bearer' and translated into Latin as 'Lucifer'.

John Milton's 'Paradise Lost' sealed the idea of a single Satan.

"Of Lucifer, so by allusion called,
Of that bright star to Satan paragon'd."

The Christian Church needed the modern Satan to have an opposing force to the idea of God. The idea of a Satan provided a convenient being on which blame could be placed when things didn't go right or when a congregation needed a good scare to keep them in line.

Some feel people need the 'fear of God', or the Devil, to keep them in line.

I say, if the lack of the fear of God will cause you to do the wrong thing, instead of the right thing, then you weren't a very good person in the first place, now were you!
-teltalheart
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In conclusion:
Brotherhood organizations use War, Religion, Poverty and Strife in order to keep human being preoccupied and fighting amoung themselves. In this way they gain power and control, amoung the obvious advantages for their Anunnaki overlords.

How many of you are conserned about your jobs?
How many of you are concerned about the war in Iraq?
How many of you are concerned about terrorism?

See how well it works!

It should now be easy for you to pick out Anunnaki backed, Brotherhood secret society governments.

So long for now! End Post 130A. teltalheart

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Subject: Post 225 A: P.P.S. for Post 224 A:


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Post 225 A: P.P.S. for Post 224 A: .

I should have said, "to those to whome it need apply, Now, take that and stick it where the sun don't shine!"

She rared back and laughed and said, "he beileve in Martians!" I said in my defence, "Nobody said anything about the planet Mars or Martians." She repeated her slur, again she rared back and laughed and said, "he believe in Martians!" All this from an ignorant woman trying to impress an even more ignorant cadet.

It is unfortunately the case that many ignorant people try to discredit those with enough intelligence to realize that there is something beyond us that has nothing to do with a little old man with a long white beard that grants wishes and lives in the sky, by using that old stale term "Martians."
It was the case with me that seeing was believing.

She further went on to insult my bloodline, the Puryear/Perrier/Purrier/Peryer/Neferkheperure, the root word of which is 'Peri', meaning :a supernatural being in Persian folklore descended from fallen angels excluded from paradise until penance is accompished. It's akin to the word 'Nephilim'.
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Subject: Post 224 A: I will not be told who I am by idiots! The VOTE!


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Post 224 A:I will not be told who I am by idiots! The VOTE!

On his program, Real Time, Bill Maher made a statement back about three programs ago that inferred that if you didn't vote for Obama you were prejudgice. I think that is, was wrong and belittling to the voters and the voting process in so many ways.

Today a black female co-worker told me I was prejudgice because I said I was thinking about voting for the third party candidate, Ralph Nader. Speaking from a point of ignorance she went on to belittle both myself and this my web site.

Congratulations! Now you've done it! I've been made ill just enough to push me over the edge. For the first time since 1980 and 1984 I'm voting for a Republican and a True American Hero, Senator John McCain.

Now, take that and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Sir Michael D. Barnes

P.S. I hope Bill Maher has made enough money stealing jokes for his show and possibly information for his tawdry little documentary from my web site. I'm looking into trademarking and moving my web site.

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Subject: Post 223 A: Maher steals my work!


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Post 223 A: Maher steals my work!

That hack, Bill Maher, can't come up with a joke on his own so he stole a joke from my site, www.voy.com/40560/, on Post 211 A. The joke was "Republicans like the idea of a woman or a black man cleaning up after them". Maher used the joke in his monologue on his show, Real Time, on the episode that appeared just previous to the last one that aired. I see not one penny, Maher gets the credit. Much as everything else that's been stolen from me. Time now is 1:00 am October 26, 2008. Yes, along with all the other things that have been made about my work with no credit given to me, "The Muse", "Bruce Almighty", only to mention a few.

Poly-Ticks = Many Bloodsuckers:
It seem the Republican are trying very hard to LOSE this election. Palin!, get real, if McCain really wanted to win he would have reached across the aisle to Hillary Clinton as a VP. This coupled with a hundred other things the republicans have done to make sure they lose; from the infuriating mail-outs to their own people to conveniently forgetting how we got into this economic mess.

We got into this economic mess because of Bill Clinton.
After the Crash of 1929 rules were put into place to keep Banks from investing in the kind of get rich quick schism that caused that crash and this one.
Bill Clinton removed those rules and allowed banks to, once again, invest in these kinds of risky ventures.

So, why aren't the Republicans bringing this up in their political campaign? Because they want to lose! Which means Obama is being set up. Perhaps it's to get us into our next World War, with China.

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Subject: Post 222 A: Who's in charge? Is the big attack next?


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Post 222 A: Who's in charge here? Is the big attack next?

So, $800,000,000,000.00 of the public's money, which will end up being $3,000,000,000,000.00 when all is said and done, is going to go to bail out billionaire gamblers. Well, isn't that special! As you can probably guess this was probably planned. It's not because they need the money, hell, I suspect these are the same group who own and moves all of the factories out of the United States to China. First buying up land in Mexico and not building the promised factories, so the peasants would have no recourse but to come to the U.S. thereby undercutting wages and causing Union Busting to be much easier. It's to weaken you, the general public even more than you already have been. Thereby causing and almost complete destruction of the middle class.

Next, they're going to tell you your Social Security system is too expensive to maintain. Then they will want to privatize it so they can steal it.

I also wonder, is G.W. Bush going to pull an October surprize? Is their going to be another convenient colossal terrorist attack and he suspends the election until, whenever?

Locally:
I'm paint, no, not a picture, the house. Getting ready for winter. Winter is coming, in more ways then one. Must remember, wipe my feet so I don't track any paint indoors, take off my hat indoor - so no one will thank I'm a Jew, which I am. So no will kill me for being a Jew, after all, we killed Christ (Greek, Christo 'King'). But how can that be? If I am a descendant of Christ, how could I have killed Christ? Now, there is preponderance for you Christians. If I am a descendant of Christ am I more than mortal? Ah, there's the rub! Are they, the descendants, the Puryer/Perrier more than mortal, if indeed Christ was the Son-Of-God? If this is the case, where should we, the Desposyni, be in life? Should we be under those who have all the money and power who make policy and control the destiny of nations? Or should we be over them, for the good of the people? This would never happen, though. They know justice would be served swift and cold. Nope, no power for me, unless I want to end up like J.F.K.!

Ah yes, it's painting season. My wife and I are painting, arguing, arguing, painting.

We fell out, my wife and I,
O we fell out, I know not why,
And kissed again with tears,
And blessings on the falling out
That all the more endears,
When we fall out with those we love
And kiss again with tears! - Lord Tennyson

Flash Of Genius:
I invented something back early last summer.
It's something that will save about 10% to 15% on the average utility bill. I have never patented anything before. I'm not sure what I need to do. I know it's not something the oil companies want produced.

Religulous:
Though we, Maher and I, share some of the same opinions I'm tired of hearing him whine and gravel when speaking to any person of color that comes on his show, Real Time. He has all the grace, charm and wit of a prison buttboy.
Maher fails to see that belief is what gives people the the fortitude to persevere and go on in this maddening world where nothing is quite what it seems.

Children:
It's my one great failing. Maher seems to think if a man wants children he's "whipped". I have no descendants, no children. I have resigned myself to never having children. The only way I could have children is by doing something very unmasonic. Maher is an idiot.

That's all I have time for now. Goodbye.
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Subject: Post 221A: 'Rich do none of the work, pay none of the taxes..'


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Post 221A: "The Rich do none of the work, pay none of the taxes, have all of the money. The Middle Class do all of the work, pay all of the taxes. The Poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class, keep 'um showing up at those jobs!" - George Carlin

It's interesting how people at the lower end, common people, are now expected to have see-through backpacks, clear lunch boxes, and see-through transparent lives, as if they are suspected terrorists. While those at the top of the food chain, the wealthy and influential, those who run the country and reap most of the benefits from the supposed "free" society, live lives shrouded in secrecy. They live lives where underhanded and or illegal business deals are made and the common people, who are treated as suspects, pay the price, financially and emotionally (psychologically).

Those who have something to hide do hide. It is the nature of power and Leaders to be more afraid of their own people than of any foreign invader, ("keep your friends close, your enemies closer"). Unfortunately, when one is focussed on ones own as an ememy one looses track of a true threat. This is the case, unless there is no true threat other than that which those in control have manufactured as a distraction.

It is unfortunate that most rank and file working class conservatives have had the wool pulled over their eyes. They dutifully listen to Republican mouth-pieces such as the drug-addict, Rush Lumbar, jabber on about "the public" owning and controlling the stockmarket. The public may own the majority of the stock, but they certaintly do not control it.

If one owns, I believe, more than two and a half or three percent (%) of a particular stock one must file a takeover bid. There is the belief, which I share, that the very rich in this country , na the world, control the government and the economy through the stockmarket. The way this works is, if you are a wealthy investor who owns one percent of a particular stock, and I am a wealthy investor who owns one and a half percent of that same stock, together we own two and a half percent of that stock. If we get together with other wealth investors who own large percentages of that same stock we can buy and sell that same stock to control the market, as far as that stock is concerned. If we have our tentacles in every major stock we can conceivably control the market and there-by the future of a country, the prospeity of its people and weald political influence enough to get those elected which we wish to be elected that would be "favorable" to our fake and fixed imitation of a Capitalist system. This kind of "collusion of investors is, of course, illegal.

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Subject: Post 220 A: Weight Loss, continued post.


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Post 220 A: Weight Loss, continued post.

What has the highest amount of calories and is the easiest and healthest to cut back on is fat. I choose low fat over low calorie any day. Low fat products are uauslly lower in calorie than low calorie products, strange isn't it?

Next, I choose higher fiber foods, whole wheat and whole grain products.
A product which has high fiber my have lower points than its calorie content suggests. Example: Bran Flakes have 110 calories, add 1/2 cup of skim milk it comes to 150 calories. With 0.5g fat and dietary fiber of 5g it's only 2 point on the weight watchers scale.

My breakfast usually consists of:
One boiled egg, 2 points.
Bran flakes with skim milk and Splenda, 2 points (add two sliced strawberries).
One slice of whole wheat toast with one pat of Smart Balance light, 1 point.
One or two cups of coffee with Splenda and a teaspoon or two of non-dairy creamer, 0 points.

Tip: When you feel hungry between meal, it may be thirst instead of hunger. Drink something low calorie and wait 20 minutes. If you still feel hungry, then it is hunger. A half an apple or half a banana makes a good, health between meals snack.

Remember, after you eat it takes 20 minutes for your brain to tell you your stomach is full.

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Subject: Post 219 A: Weight Loss


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Post 219 A: Weight Loss

I use to look like a famous western hero, Fat Bastardson.

What are you laughing at? Have you looked in the mirror lately?

I had, subconsciously, been eating myself into an early grave since my wife cheated on me with Dr. Charles M. Pendley. After coming to realize what had happened to me and what I was doing to myself I joined Weight Watchers. At that time I was about 200 lbs. Which is a lot for a man of 5 foot & 7 inches. I was down from my highest of 220 at that time.

This morning I was 155.8 lbs. Weight Watchers had given me a goal weight of 160 lbs. My Doctor gave me ten extra pounds for muscle mass and clothing. So, my offical goal weight became 170 lbs. I am now 14.2 lbs. under my goal weight. I feel much better and I think I look much better. I am also now a Life Member of Weight Watchers. Which means I no longer pay dues and I have to weigh in once a month instead of once a week.

Weight Watcher, I think, is the best program going. You don't buy ready made food. You're given booklets on low calorie, high nutrition foods and you go to the grocery store and buy your own food. I do exercise and I do watch what I eat. Any simple exercise is better that no exercise at all.

Rule No. 1, Don't stop, weight loss takes time.
So, you only lost one pound this whole month? If you lose only one pound a month for 12 months how many pounds is that? Twelve!

If you lose only one pound a week for 52 week how many pounds is that? Right, fifty-two pounds!

Weight Watchers flex plan works on a point system. One point is about 45 calories. I count it as 50 calories, it's easier for me to keep up with.

How many points can YOU have a day?
If you're female you get 2, nursing mom 12, male 8.

Age:
17-26 years, 4 points.
27-37, 3.
38-47, 2.
48-58, 1.
over 58, 0.

Your weight now:
Use the first two digits of your weight. If you are 190 lbs. add the 19 as points.
If you're less that 100 lbs. you would use only the first single digit, 99 lbs. would be 9 points.

Your height:
If under 5'1" add 0 points.
5' 1" to 5' 10" add 1 point.
Over 5' 10" add 2 points.

How much exercise do you get in a day?
Sitting down at work, 0 points.
Mainly standing, some sitting, add 2 points.
Mostly walking, add 4 points.
Doing hard physical work, add 6 points.

Now you would be able to get your points. Come to Weight Watchers and get the booklets that will tell you how many points are in each food. Example: a steak the size of a deck of cards, 5 points. One slice of thin crust pizza, 6 points.

P.s. You should speak to your Doctor before beginning any diet.
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Subject: Post 218 A: Scandalum Magnatum


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Post 218 A: Scandalum Magnatum

This English Law, The Statute of Westminster of 1275 A.D., provided that "from henceforth none be so hardy to tell or publish any false News or Tales, whereby discord, or occasion of discord or slander may grow between the King and his People, or the Great Men of the Realm." It was both a tort and a criminal offence. Peers could recover damages in civil trials without proving any harm to their reputation. Punishment in criminal trials was often arbitrary. They usually consisted of minor fines and short jail sentences of one month, give or take. Scandalum Magnatum was repealed in 1887 by the Statute Law Revision Act.

The point around which all this turns is the segment "false News or Tales." How does one know if a "Tale" is false if one is not provided with evidence, for or against?

Who rules? Who has the right to rule? Where is the evidence of such right?
The Bible? Is the Bible the evidence of such right? Does the Bible tell us who is to rule?

The old Testament is a book of tales and stories which follows a certain genealogical line. But, which line, where is the evidence, where is the D.N.A. evidence? Many of the tales are falsehoods and fiction; 'God created the world in seven days,' and such. Some of it appears to be the effort of people, barely out of the stoneage, to interpret things of a technical nature which they obviously could not explain.

The line in question seems to come out of the northern Iran, Caucasus Mountain region. From there, in the tales of Adam and Eve, it travels south to the city state of Ur in old Mesopotamia, with the tales of Abraham.

With Abraham the line goes into exile from Mesopotamia and travels to Canaan. From Canaan the line goes to Egypt with Joseph of the coat of many colors, son of Jacob, grandson of Isaac, great grandson of Abraham. The grandson of Joseph is believed by many to be the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, son of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and Tiye, daughter of Joseph/Yuya and Thuya.
This line from Akhenaten is also believed to be the line that descends down to King Saul and King David. From there the line descends down to Joseph and Jesus as well as James, Joses, Simon, and Judas, as well as the sisters of Jesus; Mary, Salome and Joanna.

So what of the ossuary (bone box) of the Lost Tomb of Jesus, recently discovered? They were D.N.A. test for mitochondria. Then they were hurriedly reburied in a secret location by the Jews, once they finally realized what they had.

Did you know it's illegal to do a D.N.A. test on an Egyptian Pharaoh's mummy?
It's also illegal to do a D.N.A. test on a member of the Royal Family of England. Maybe it would show the paternal line of the Royal House of England is from Riccio the fiddle player, (Piedmontese secretary - David Riccio), and lover of Mary Queen of Scots, and not Lord Darnley. Perhaps it would show the world the paternity of Prince Harry is from the stable hand and not Prince Charles. Perhaps it would show that the Royal Family is not the Royal Family. How can anything be determined if no evidence is allowed?

I would be more than happy to supply a sample of my D.N.A. for testing.

If everything is on the up-and-up, why all the secrecy?

'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'

'Without Law there can be no freedom. Without justice there can be no Law.'

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Subject: Post 217 A: Hoof Hearted


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Post 217 A: Hoof Hearted

"And they're going around the outside turn and it's Hoof Hearted in the lead..." (sniff!)! My Salute to George Carlin.

Someone mentioned to me something about a week ago. It had something to do with "swinging." It was about people in my home town. I got the impression this person had the impression we were into that. Well, I asked my other half, after she cheated on me, if she wanted an open marriage. She said "no."

I told her that by doing that to me she gave me the eternal right to do the same thing to her. A friend named Debbie from Tanglewood, 'Tanglewood Tales', once told me "when a woman cheats it's "'YEA, I cheated!'" when a man cheats it's "oh no, I cheated."

When a woman cheats it seems to me other women are quite easy on her. It seems that women seem to be pissed-off at men in general. It's as if they're saying "Damned man, he probably deserved what he got."

Other men are EXTREMELY easy on a woman who cheats. Thats probably because they want to hurry up an get in line to be the next one to screw her. But, they are very hard on a man who cheats. That's because, it seems to me, they are secretly worried that their wife or girlfriend will be the next he goes after.

Anyway, the justice system is not the least bit fair to men, or so it seems to me. It seems to me women accept no responsibility in this world, now days anyway.

In the time of Christ a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery, even if being raped, was brought before her husband for judgement. He, being the half of the bond that had not sinned, would have to cast the first stone. Such as if a Princess and heir whose family controled the northern half, known as Isreal, and a Prince and Master Mason or Perrieur/Neferkheperure, and heir whose family controled the southern half, known as Judaea were to marry. Something the Romans did not want and tried to break up even to the point of raping his wife in front of the Jewish Sanhedrin. And then draging her in front of her husband for judgement. 'He that is without sin amoung you, let him first cast a stone at her.' - ST. John 8:7
They could not, because it was her husband, Jesus', responsibility.

What did Jesus mean in ST. Matthew 5:28, Post 216 A:? 'But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.'

What Jesus meant was, do not judge your brother for something you yourself are guilty of.

Most of Jesus' ministry was about forgiveness and non-judgement. Particularly in defense of his wife, Mary Magdalene. It took Paul, Saul of Tarsus, to twist the message and create punishment and discipline. I have always equated Paul to a Davis Korish type. Someone who took over an already established religion and twist it to meet his own end and purposes. I get this image of Cheech and Chong's "Buggery On The High Seas." And I think that would fit Paul.

Forgiving my spouse for her infidelity has been the most difficult thing I have ever had to do in my life, thus far. It would have been much easier to have walked out, a.k.a. "cut and run." I can forgive, however, so far, I can't forget.

Anyway, about "swinging". I know some people who were into that. Who they are, if they wanted you to know they whould tell you. I don't know what my spouse was doing when she was cheating on me. I hope it wasn't that. But, I have never been asked to join. Not that I would.
If there's a dance, it's nice to be asked, even if you're not going.
Maybe they're scared? I'm only 5'7". I'm not as tall as most guys, but then I'm not as short as most guys.
Well, that's all I have for now. I have to go water my garden. You see, I'm a grower, not a show-er.

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Subject: Post 216 A: 'whosoever looketh upon a woman ...'


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Post 216 A: 'But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart' - Matthew 5:28

So it seems I have committed adultery probably every day of my life since I was thirteen.

Apparently being a red blooded, heterosexual male is evil!
Apparently we are not to think about the natural urges we were born with. It should be kept in check, I agree.

"How do we be fruitful multiply without thinking about it? We could sing hems during it. One stroke at a time, sweet Jesus, one stroke at a time." - Bill Hicks

So there you have it, the conundrum.

P.S., In case you didn't get it. Post 215 A: was about hypocrisy.

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Subject: Post 215A: It goes as it goes.


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Post 215A: It goes as it goes.

"How would you like it if I did the same thing to you?" I asked her. She said, "well, I would understand, I just don't want to know anything about it." That was the conversation after I found out my other half had cheated on me.
It happens all the time. Human nature being what it is, we are all obviously going to be attracted to somebody else at some time. None of us want to think mom may have cheated on dad, or dad cheated on mom. But, as we get older we realize it may have happened. The idea of "complete" monogamy in a marriage is, I think, a fallacy for the vast majority of people.
This idea of the "good girl" image has got to go. It denies the sexuality of women, the simple fact that they have as strong a sexual desire as do men, and makes any hint of female sexual desire seem as if it's something evil and corrupted.
I wonder if Jesus was married. Did it happen to him? Perhaps that's the whole idea of "forgiveness" he was trying to teach us.
Someone once said the secret of life is that all sins are forgiven. That the idea of "hell" was a phantasm to scare people into doing what the majority "preceive" as being the "right thing" to do (peer pressure). Yet, this same majority will cheat on their own spouse at some point in their marriage. It seems the right thing to do is not the same for all people at all times. One of the differences seems to be if one gets caught or not. It goes as it goes, like the river flows.
Discretion; discretion; discretion!

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Subject: Post 214 A: Nationalize the Oil Companies


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Post 214 A: Nationalize the Oil Companies.

With gas prices at or above four dollars a gallon and oil companies raking in billions of dollars in unearned profit. It's time the United States Government to quit sitting on it's hands and do what must be done to save the American public. All oil company property within the U.S. must be nationalized. And the Oil Companies will have only their own greed to thank for it.

Most Americans don't realize that the U.S. only gets a very small part of it's oil from Saudi Arabia. The truth is most American oil companies are making billions in unearned profit by "piling on" in this artificial or fake oil crisis.

Such a move would knock the leggs completely out from underneath the Republican Party which gets most of it's money from oil corrupted slush funds.

I suspect that if Obama wins Democratic nomination, this would drive many unsure American voters into the hands of the Republican Party. Which is exactly what the oil gluttons, pardon me, oil compaines want.

Who am I to say? I am he who sits in an unoccupied chair at a table round, not square, yet on the square.

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Subject: Post 213 A: God Bless the Child That's Got His Own, (part 3).


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Post213 A: God Bless the Child That's Got His Own, (part 3).

I must say the Idea of raising another man's child or even marrying a woman who already has a child is a sore spot for me. You see, way back when, when my spouse was slipping around with Dr. Charles M. Pendley, president of Northeast State Community College, we thought she might have been pregnant at one time. I suspect something wasn't right even then. I told her if she was expecting I would have the child D.N.A. test when it was born. She said, "you'd really test our child?" To which I said, "You're damn right I would!" Two weeks latershe wasn't pregnant any more.
I don't know if it was a false pregnancy or what. But, I didn't get stuck with somebody else's grotesque growing on my dime. Call me hartless if it so pleases you. But, I'm really not. I'm rather softhearted if you want to know the truth. I am a Mason and therefore I do believe in chaity and benevolence. Charity, however, has it's limits.

However, the Merovingians were always true king. Never were they coronated king, created on the bases of some falsehood or lie such as the "Donation of Constantine". The Idea was, the old idea, a king who SERVED the people. Not the people who served the king. It's an old idea and we have yet to see it in our time.


Eleanor of Aquitaine: "Surely you don't think Richards going to allow your grotesque to grow"

Alice: "You wouldn't let him murder our child."

Eleanor of Aquitaine: "Let him! I'd push him through the nursery door." - (movie) The Lion in Winter.

The purpose of civil law is to make someone who has suffered a loss as a result of another person or institutions actions. To make the plaintiff "Whole" again. I have still to this day never been made "Whole" by Charles Pendley's estate or Northeast State Community College.

Now, to beat all, the person, a former teacher at said Jr. college, who had what I call a "passion for Pell Grants" and is said to have traded Pell Grants for sex to young women, and is a former Scottsboro city councilman, is running for the chairmanship of the Jackson County Commission.

I have thought about running against him on the Republican ticket. Why Republican? Because I'm not stupid. I know where the money is. Even though no one from the Republican party has ever won in Jackson County, to my knowledge.

People depend on those in charge having good moral character. When they don't you end up with some monster like Dr. Charles M. Pendley, (now dead, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy). Pendley was little more than a date rapist. He destroyed a lot of young women and their families, and, Northeast, where many of the instructors knew what was going on, never said or did anything to stop it. These people have never been held accountable. From what I have heard this practice is still going on today.

My spouse said she didn't think anyone would believe her because he was the college president. Titles mean very little to me. I don't care it you're a Doctor, President, Police Chief or Warden. You put your pants on the same way I do. I myself have several titles. I'm legally a Reverend. I have an honorary Doctorate of Divinity. I am a Kight. I'm the descendant of a Baronet, as best I can tell. I connected to the Earls of Beauchamp, Lords of Madresfield Court, through the family Ligon or Lygon, with which the line of Puryear has crossed more than once.

I also own a small, very small, piece of land in Scotland. Ownership of land in Scotland gives one, by ancient tradition, the right to style oneself Lord or Laird. Rev. Dr. Sir Michael, Lord Barnes - now there's a title for you.

I would hate to be one, but I have seen it. I once knew a man that, even though he could retire, wouldn't. Because he ruled the place he controlled somewhere between a demigod and a tyrant. If he retired he would become just an everyday Joe Shmo Nobody. So, the place he thinks he loves, the place he feels power keeps him trapped there like a prisoner. Squeezing the last ounce of life out of him 'till they close the lid on his coffin. How sad.

To David Letterman: David, what would you think if someone said, "your mother is a whore!"? But, you see, David. I have more respect than you do, you snaggledtooth piece of shit!

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Subject: Post 212 A: God Bless The Child That's Got His Own, part 2


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Post 212 A: God Bless The Child That's Got His Own, part 2.

Due to several spelling errors on my part I had thought of re-typing post 211. But, what the hell! That would just be a waste of effort when I could be doing something better.

Politics:
Yes, yes, I know not all black people are voting for Obama because he's black. But, most are. It doesn't matter if it's Clinton, Obama or Bush. These politicians are not calling the shots. It's the power that's behind them that's calling the shots. That would be the international world corporate complex. If you want to go beyond even that, it's something most people don't even have the ability to grasp. Something referred to in ancient times as "God" or "Gods".

A short while back I was staying in the top floor of a hotel on vaction. I looked out at the people in the parking lot below. I watched them go about their business, coming and going. They never even noticed me, or the security camera on the roof thirty feet from me.

I thought "how oblivious they are". God was often referred as "coming from above" or "watching from above". Perhaps we are being watch. We just never bothered to look up.

Obama will probably be president. But, if it follows the usual patters, and he's a good solider and keeps his mouth shut, it will probably be eight years from now.

White people are voting for Obama because they want to appear "progressive". Notice I said "appear". This kind of young, white, liberal is easy to fool or shame into doing just about anything. We live on Life Boat Earth. When it comes down to it whose genetic pattern survives depends on who eats and who doesn't; on who kills and who gets killed. I don't really care because I don't have any children. I have been shit on some much in this life that early on I decided I was not going to spent one penny of my money, that I didn't have to through taxes, to raise another man's children. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP OF ANYONE ELSE'S SPERMATOZOA PRODUCT!

Apology:
I have nothing to apologize for. I have never owned a slave. My father never owned a slave. My grand fathers never owned a slave. My great grand fathers never owned a slave. My great great grand fathers, one of which was Anthony G. Barnes C.S.A., never owned a slave. By the was that's Confederate States of America , C.S.A. for short. My great great grand father fought because this sacred land of the South he considered to be his and foreign soliders were on it, though nether he nor his father, John Barns, ever owned a slave. His father, John Barns, was a southern loyalist loyal to the Union.

War:
It has also occured to me that perhaps the goal of the present Bush administration is to prevent the Russians from running a pipeline from the vast Caspian Sea oil reserves through Iran, or Zerbaijan and former Soviet Georgia to Black Sea or the Arabian Sea. Such a move would bring down the price of oil with so much oil flooding the market. That would hurt the oil rich Saudi Royal Family, which has always been a great friend of this administration and the Bush family. One must also remember that the U.S. Government, the citizens of the U.S.A., owe a huge debt to Saudi Arabia, a.k.a. the Saudi Royal Family, due to this Bush administration.

In my youth I was trained as a draftsman. I have also, from time to time produced a painting or two, as I have also tried my hand as an artist. I have thought I might soon offer some of my paintings for sale on ebay. I will let it be know here on www.voy.com/40560/ when I do. A painting or two of mine has been sold in the distant past. They will be on sale for between $ 100 and $ 1000 each.

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Subject: Post 211A: 'God Bless the Child Whose Got His Own'


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Post 211 A: 'God Bless The Child Whose Got His Own'.

"Them thats got shall get,
Them thats not shall lose,
so the Bible says, and it still is news,
momma may have, momma may have,
but God bless the child who's got his own,
he's got his own"

So you wonder "what is going on!" during this crazy political/Economic time, huh?
Well, here's how I see it.
As always, the fix is in by the powers that be and your vote counts about as much as a two ounce sack of sand. This time they really have a show going for us. A half black, half white guy against a woman.

Politics:
I know if I were to make a big mess I would want a janitor (Barry Obama), or a maid (Hillary Clinton) to come in and clean it up for me. You know, if I were to do something disgusting like jump up on the dinner table and take a big dump right in the middle of it. You know, what the American people have had figuratively happen to them.

Here's an answer for ya. War is BIG Business. Thus, nobody is going to get us out of this thing any time soon.

Minorities:
Black people are voting for Obama because he's black. They have the right to vote for one of their own. They have the right to be given false hope, like an apple dangling just out of reach of a starving man, just to have it snatched away at the last minute. By the way, Barry Obama is not the second coming. No matter what anyone thinks. Even thus, no one will question the fact that no one seems to know what he stands for, because he's black! Certainly the offical apologist for the white race, Bill Maher, wont attack him.

If you're balck, I have nothing to apologise to you for. You say you grew up poor! Take a good look at the house of Charley in the movie 'Charley and The Chocolate Factory'. I grew up in a house only slightly better then that. With an absent father I was raised by my mother and grand mother. I grew up in the same house also with my cousins. I am also partly a jew, as are all Puryear, Perrier, ect.

Racism:
A few days ago I had a good small town experience. I was getting out of my car in front of the local Hospital when some jerk riding down the road in front of it leaned his head out of his truck window and yelled "hey! you mother f***in' Heb!" at me.

Now let's see. I have blond hair (turning white). I'm caucasian with blue eyes. I was raised in a Baptist Church atmosphere and consider myself to be a Baptist. I wonder what gave me away (haw!). I guess I just didn't pass. No matter that that side of my family hasn't been Jewish for two thousand years and were the first Christians. Nope! none of that matters. I'm still a Heb, to some people. P.S., And damn proud of it.

War:
So why are the troops in the middle east? They're there to try to put China and Russia in check. Both are growing and demanding more and better food and oil. They're there to try to force Russia to share a portion of the vast oil reserves discovered under the Caspian Sea in the early 1980's. No doubt by now you know of the vast oil strike in the Dakota's. They keep it out of the public eye as long as they could to keep the price of gas artificially high.

If all the oil in both the Dakota's and Caspian Sea were released, the price of gas would be about $ 1.20 a gallon.

Food Prices:
Isn't it interesting how many Senators and Congressmen own stock in the vast industrial farms? Did you know there are only TWO major granary companies in the U.S.A.? There used to be hundreds. All others have been bought out or forced out. Can you say "MONOPOLY"? I'll bet you can!
Now they charge what ever they want.

Health:
Around 1994, the time my weight gain started, high fructose corn syrup started being introduced into breads. Particularly the breads of fast food chains. It's been said that h.f.c.syrup tricks the body into thinking it's still hungry when it's full. Thus the customer buys and eats more. Thereby getting fatter and more unhealthy.

It's also interesting that these same Congressmen/women own stock in health care facilities. They get your money getting you sick. Then, they get your money getting you well or maintaining you until you die, while draining you of every last penny.

Alternative Fuels:
It takes about five gallons of corn to make about six gallons of gas. It's hardly worth the effort. On the other hand, Brazil uses sugar cane to turn, I think, one gallon of sugar cane into five gallons of gas. But then look who owns stock in the vast corn crops across the U.S.A.

The fuel shortage is artificially. The food shortage is artificially. The powers that be noticed some extra cash in the U.S. economy and THEY WANT IT, AND THEY WANT IT NOW!
And, they're going to get it.

Do you know the one thing that scares the shit out of the powers that be?
The memories and images of The French Revolution.

The French:
Why do you suppose some political parties hate the french? Did you know there was a time, the middle ages, when Gothic ment the same thing as Hebrew? In the south of France, from about the time of Christ to the middle of the fifteenth century there exist the kingdom of Septimania. It existed in the south of France between France and Spain. See, the Septimanian Midi. Historically, Prince Nascien of the Septimanian Midi was the 5th century ancsetor of the Merovingian Kings of the Franks. By the time of the middle ages the Jews had become a genetic part of much of the french heredity. Particularly, the line of David had become part of the Royal Line of France. It's easyer for them to say "I hate the French", instead of what they really mean, which is, "I hate Jews". "I hate Jews" sounds much more bigoted.

Religion:
Christianity, like all religions, is a human created thing. The seeds of destruction of all religions are sown in their text. Modern Christianity was not created by Jesus. It was created by Paul, (Saul of Tarsus).
Galatians 1:11 'But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither recieved it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.'A.K.A.

"I reject your reality and sudstitute my own." - Jamie Hyneman, Mythbuster.


Until next time my friends, I'll leave you with this. The falling off in the rate of technological innovations in the ancient world. A cause ignored by historians, "the appearance of a very mediocre and often dishonest class of lower-grade administrators and civil servants into whose hands was put the running of industry, commerce, and agriculture. Their business, as they interpreted it, was to see that the output of workshops and farms was adequate, and that any commercial enterprise such as shipping ran at an acceptable level of profit" - 'Technology in The Ancient World,' by Henry Hodges.

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Subject: Post 210: The Legend, part 1.


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Post 210: The Legend, part 1.
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NEFEKHEPERURE:

Joseph of the Coat of Many Colors was sold into slavery in Egypt by his envious brothers. The Egyptian, not being able to speak his hebrew name refered to him as Yuseph or Yuya. he became the High Vizier of Egypt, second only to the Pharaoh himself.

Yuya married a woman, a hebrewis, by the name of Thuya. When her mummy in 1903 it was found she had long blond hair reaching all the way down her back.

Their daughter, Tiye, married Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV's son, who became Pharaoh Amenhotep III.

Her father had such power it was determined that if she became pregnant, the child should be killed at birth rather than have a half Hebrew king whose grandfather was already High Vizier rule the kingdom.

When she became pregnant she went to her summer palace at Zarw. When she had her baby it was indeed a boy. She had her handmaids float the child the short distance downstream in a reed basket to the house of her father's half-brother Levi, who lived in Goshen. The child, named Aminadab, was faised in the home of his great uncle and educated by the priests of Ra. It was later revealed to the Pharaoh that he did have a living son to take the Throne as Amenhotep IV, later to call himself Neferkheperure-Wa'enre Akhenaten.

He ruled Egypt for seventeen years. Akhenaten closed all the temples of the Egyptian gods and commanded his people worship at the temples he had built to his new god, the Aten/Adon in Hebrew/Jehovah. His closing of the temples didn't set well with the priests of Ra. So they devised to get him off the throne. They angered him to the point where he killed an Egytian. His hands being soiled, he could no longer be Pharaoh. He was forced to abduct his throne and was then summarily exiled into the Sinai desert. When he departs most of the Hebrews in Egypt depart as well. He and his two wives had six daughters and one son, Tutankhaten/Tutankamun. Tut was probably murdered. Two of Akhenaten's daughters died young leaving four daughters that departed with him into the desert. From these four daughters comes the Judges of Isreal as well as the early kings, Saul and David.

The line of David is traced down to Joseph the father of Jesus, who may have been the True King of The Jews. One must remember the Romans were there and they had their Arabian puppet Herod on the throne.

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Post 209: Wink.

I have left you some family pictures and some information on my web site at wink.com/p/michael_barnes.

On it you will find some pictures of my mother and father, my grandmother - Rosa Grace Dugger along with a copy of her birth certificate, and pictures of her three daughters; Ruby Kathryn (Mom), Bertha and Louise.
You will find also a few pictures of me. One of which was taken about six years ago when I was much heavier than I am now. I have been on weight watchers for a while now and have gone from a high of 220 lbs. to my present weight of 175 lbs.
You will also see a picture of my Great grandfather and mother, Linville Andrews Dugger and Mary Ada Puryear Dugger. The gentleman in the beard is my Greatgreat grandfather Hardin Dugger.

There will also be some information on my wink page that will help you understand some of the information I have for so long been talking about. Go to wink.com/p/michael_barnes

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Subject: Post 208 A: On Christmas and Christians


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Post 208 A: On Christmas and Christians.
This was close to forty years after the crucifixion of Jesus. In the writings of the 2nd-century Palestinian chronicler Hegesippus, we read that Vespasian commanded 'the family of David to be sought, that no one might be left amoung the Jews who was of the royal stock'. In one way or another, therefore, the family of David was known to be extant at that time in AD 70...

Africanus related that, even before Vespasian, during the lifetime of Jesus, Herod-Antipas (son of Herod the Great) had ordered the destruction of all aristocratic genealogies. But, Africanus continues,'A few careful people had private records of their own...and took a pride in preserving the memory of their aristocratic origin. These included the people...known as Desposyni because of their relationship to the Saviour's family'...

Succeeding Vespasian was his son Titus, whose brother Domitian followed in AD 81. Domitian detested the Christians even more that his father had done,...

"Hegesippus reported in his Hypomnenata (Memoirs) that Domitian ordered the excution of all the Desposyni inheritors of Jesus. But, although many were seized, some were released and 'on their release they became leaders of the churches, both because they had borne testimony and because they were of the Lord's family...

Given that so many books were excluded from the New Testament when selection was made at the Council of Carthage in AD 397, it is quite remarkable that, of all books, St John's Apocalypse escaped close scrutiny at that time. The Church has done its best to put people off this book ever since by propaganda from the 1662 Congregation for the emblematic of disaster. The fact is, however, that John's writing (esoteric as it is in some respects) is precisely what its title conveys. It is a 'revelation'.
--In considering John's account of the Magdalene flight into exile, it is appropriate to recognize that prior to discussing the Imperial persecution of 'her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ', he relates that she was pregnant when she fled: 'And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered'. ...

Genesis 3:16 relates that the pains of pregnancy and childbirth were a punishment by God for the fact that Eve had sinned. Consequently, the bishops maintain that the woman of The Revelation 'must have been a sinner'!...

In the medieval tridition of France and Flanders, the Mary Magdalene was traditionally known as Notre Dame de Lumiere (Our Lady of Light). In this regard, she was associated with the ultimate wisdom of Sophia, and was sometimes portrayed in early and medieval times wearing Sophia's halo of twelve stars, as referred to by John in the book of The Revelation. A good example is the famous Black Madonna statue at Verviers, near Liege....

Black Madonna veneration emanated in AD 44 from Ferrieres in the Languedoc region of Provence." excerpts from the book 'The Magdalene Legacy' by Sir Laurence Gardner, pages 22-25.

I thought I would let Sir Laurence tell it, rather than attempt it myself. He does it so much better than I ever could. However he still has not gotten comfortable with the idea of accepting us, the Perrieur; Perrier; Puryear, as part of the bloodline of the Holy Grail. He does give us a slight "allusion" in the use of the name "Ferrieres". I still can't figure out if we're being protected, or slighted. After all Akhenaten's pharaonic name was Neferkheperure, as in Neferkhe-perure. It was not neferkhesinclair or even Neferkhestewart. Oh well!

Here's hoping that one day Sir Laurence and the rest of the world will see the light.
To you and yours, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
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Subject: Post 207 A: The House Of The Aten


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Post 207 A: The House Of The Aten.

In post 206A I told you of the tomb which was discovered in Jerusalem in 1980. The tomb contained ossuaries with names carved on the side of the bone boxes of those family members listed in the Bible as being Jesus' relatives. It wasn't until recent that they figured out what they had. --Above the tomb was carved a figure like a upward pointing cheveron or compass with a circle in the center of it like an all seeing eye.

There is another possibility. The upward pointing chevron may reresent a roof, like the roof on a house or temple. The circle my represent a sun disk, like that found in the religion of Akhenaten, a.k.a. Neferkheperure, or Neferkhe-perure. This could be the earliest symbol for Freemasonry.

Akhenaten/Neferkheperure was very beloved by his masons. He had allowed them to build using Talitat stone. Talitat are stones small enough for one man to carry and handle. Pharaohs had typically required masons to build in massive stone block.

Could Akhenaten have been so beloved that his masons used this symbol to represent their allegiance to him and his family? Could it have later become the square and compass? Could the descendants of Akhenaten have used this symbol in the time Christ to distinguish their hereditary descent from Akhenaten/Neferkheperure/Moses?

Masonry has no religious requirments other that one must believe in a supreme being. However, many religious institutions have issue with Freemasonry. I believe it to be usually through ignorance. People don't trust what they don't know. Such as this "...while Masonry is not anti-Catholic, nevertheless the Roman church has itself set up the ban of excommunicationon any of its members becoming Masons, which edict has been repeated by the Popes since the year 1738." Mosonic Handbook.

I suppose the Church of Rome still considers us Knight Templars under another name.

Well, it's something for you to think about.

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Subject: Post 206 A: Perspectives


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Post 206A: Perspectives.

I should apologies to my audience. I was wrong in bring my tiff with my friend before you. Each person, he and I included, brings their own past; opinions, prejudices, hurts, insults, anger, and wrongheadedness to every situation.

If one should say something like, "in my opinion, only women wear aprons," to his friend who happens to be a Freemason, his friend should not lash out. Masonry is about taking a good man and making him a better man. Masonry teaches tolerance, understanding and brotherhood. There is always hope that a closed mind might be opened. But, as a wise instructor in Masonry once told me, "you can't teach a fool." He is my friend, and will always be so. But, I don't have to listen to him.

The only thing of a religious nature that is required of one in Masonry is that one believes in a Supreme Being. Atheist are not made Masons.

I believe Jesus was the hereditary son of his father, Joseph, and his mother, Mary. I also believe he was the Son of God. To me the divine is found in the soul, not in the physical body.
I quote one of the highest authorities, as I have done to my friend Timothy many times, George Burns in the movie 'OH GOD', "Jesus was my son. Mohammed was my son. Buddha, Krishna, even the man who said there's no room at the inn was my son, and so is the man who charges ten dollars for a steak in this one."

As far as religion is concerned, I have no problem with nativity scenes, christmas carols or any of that. Why should I? If you all want to venerate my ancient ancertor, great.
Now to my opinion.

The Magdalene Legacy, by Sir Laurence Gardner
"...Father Martin let loose a Greek word which had been logged in Imperial records before the Roman Church ever came into being. The word was Desposyni. ...Desposyni was the most hallowed of distinctions in early Christian times, an for a good while thereafter. It meant 'Heirs of the Lord' and, as Father Martin explained, 'it was reserved uniquely for Jesus' blood relatives'. He further qualified this by saying that 'only those persons in the bloodline with Jesus through his mother qualified as Desposyni'. Page 20

...This definition has long posed a problem for the Church because it can only mean one of two things:

1. If Jesus were the one and only son of Mary, the Desposyni could only be his personal descendants.

2. If there were some Desposyni in descent from Mary, but not from Jesus, then Mary must have had offspring other than Jesus." page 30.

Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by L. Gardner
"...The portrayal of Jesus as the son of a 'carpenter' is yet anotherexample of how later language misinterpreted an original meaning. ...The word translated into English as 'capenter' represents the much wider sense of the ancient Greek ho tekton, which is in turn a rendition of the Semitic word naggar. As pointed out by the Semitic scholar Dr Geza Vermes, this descriptive word could equally well define a scholar or teacher. It certainly did not identify Jesus and Joseph as woodworkers. More precisely it defined them as men with skills, learned men, who were masters of what they did. Indeed, one translation of the Greek, ho tekton, relates to 'a master of the craft', as may be applied to modern Freemasonry." page 35.

You know, Masonry, as in the old French word Perrieur.
A tomb was recently discovered around Jerusalem. It was highlighted in a documentary called 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus'. On several ossuary in this tomb were found all the names carves on the sides in Aramaic of Jesus' family members. Interestingly, there is a symbol carves in the rock face above the entrance to the tomb like an upward pointing chevron or compass, with a round circle in the middle of it like an all seeing eye. Humm! I wonder what it could be? They can't figure it out. Can you?

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Subject: Post 205 A: The Forbidden Secret of The Church


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Post 205 A: The Forbidden Secret of The Church

The idea that Jesus was married and had a family scenario that doesnot concur with established church doctrine.
The church had and has much at stake in people believing Jesus was a godman rather than just a man with a claim to the throne of Judah in the south and his wife's claim to Isreal in the north. Being a direct descendant of the line of David Jesus may have been heir-apparent to the throne of Judah if his father Joseph was the true king of Judah, but had been supplanted by a Roman puppet and pretender to the throne, namely Herod. The only thing more dangerous to a pretender to a throne, than the true king, is the true kings eldest son.
In 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh & Henry Lincoln, they write:
--"We were well aware, of course, that our scenario did not concur with established Christian teachings. But the more we researched, the more apparent it became that those teachings, as they have been passed down through the centuries, represent only a highly selective compilation of fragments subjected to stringent expurgation and revision. The New Testament, in other words, offers a portrait of Jesus and his age that conforms to the needs of certain vested interests--of certain groups and individuals who had, and to a significant degree still have, an important stake in the matter. And anything that might compromise or embarrass these interests--like the "secret" Gospel of Mark, for example--has been duly excised. So much has been excised, as a matter of fact, that a sort of vacuum has been created. In this vacuum speculation becomes both justified and necessary." page 360.

One should not think that because I am a Freemason that these are the views of the Lodge. In the Lodge each member is allowed his own personal belief. We do believe in the right of free men to think freely.

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Subject: Post 203 A: Happy Halloween/Dios da la Moretosee


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Post 203 A: Happy Halloween/Dios da la Moretosee.

I hope you have all had a happy Halloween.

"It's not so bad, being dead like me."

Why do I like the show Dead Like Me so much? I think it's because I can identify with it. Once someone you loved so dearly cheats and betrays your trust, and basicly proves to you they don't give a damn for you or your love, you become somewhat dead inside.

I have always been a very ordinary guy. I try not to lie, if I can help it; I don't cheat people, and I don't steal. I don't drink but about three beers a year. I've never had a taste for alcohol. I'm a boring ordinary guy who likes to sit at home and watch the History channel. I suppose I'm just not an exciting guy, and not what a lot of women want. I suppose I have stayed where I'm at because I have nothing to look forward to otherwise, but a lonely existance. I just live every day praying for some kind of relief, her death, or mine. No, I not going to harm her, if that's what you're thinking.

"If most people knew how many times they brushed by death, they'd probably stay inside the rest of their lives, or at least they wouldn't knock on this dark door. ...

I'm not supposed to be here, but I am. I don't know if I'm supposed to watch over them, or haunt them. Either way I'd be lying if I said I wasn't having fun. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to be here, walking through a graveyard the day after Halloween, on a quiet and beautiful November morning. It's not so bad, being Dead Like Me." - Epsode Fifteen HAUNTED, Dead Like Me.

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Subject: Post 202 A: The Bris of Michael/teltalheart


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Post 202 A: The Bris of Micheal/teltalheaet.

As of yesterday, 4 to 5 pm, I was brised, a.k.a. circumcised. So here I sit high on oxycodone with a side order of ciprofloxacin HCL and ready to sleep. My doctor did a wonderful job and I would like to thank him and his P.A. and staff. He is my Urologist here in Scottsboro. I'll speak to y'all later, shalom.

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Subject: Post 201 A: A policy for the future


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Post 201 A: A policy for the future.

Should Christians take on a similar policy as is practiced in Islam? In the Koran Mohammed tells his followers to make a treaty with an enemy if they don't have the military force to take over that enemy and force them to convert to Islam.

Mohammed tells them to make any treaty necessary to lull the enemy into a false sense of security. He tells them to wait ten years while all the time building up their military force. Then, launch another invasion; no matter what kind of treaty or promise of peace and mutual friendship they had made.

One must remember, Mohammed was a man of war. While Jesus was a man of peace. Mohammed was a practical warrior who would stop at nothing to conquer then convert, enslave or kill his victims.
Am I mistaken, or have we had enough of being victimized?

My first meeting with a Moslem was in London, yes, London England. He was a hotel employee. He looked dirty, unwashed, oily, greasy. He looked as if he hadn't had a shave in two days. He sneered and scoffed at the book I was reading, a book on ancient religions. Probably because it wasn't a book on Islam, and to him Islam would have been the only true religion. I got the impression he hated me because I was an american, and he would have like to kill me. Rarely ever have felt such hatred coming off an individual before. This was about September of 1991.

Chris Hedges writes in his book 'American Fascists' that christians of the right wing movement have the dominionist idea that they are the new jews because the jews failed to build God new kingdom and rejected Christ.w.voy.com/40560/
This may actually be literally truer then just something simply metaphorical.


Consider this; if the spouse of Jesus and or his brother James came to southern France (Gaul) and raised their families there and this bloodline had actually been introduced into the Merovingian bloodline, this seemingly "jewish" bloodline, then, as the the case truely is, is that almost everyone; nine out of ten, people descended from Western Europe can trace their lienage back to a member of the nobility. This means at least nine out of ten people of Western European descent are blood relatives of Jesus Christ. Nine out of ten people of Westen European descent, when they go to church on Sunday, are worshiping a blood relative in Jesus Christ. All religion, at its heart, is ancestor worship.

My purpose has always been the return of the rightful heir to his place on the throne of Christ.

P.S. Who has the right to forgive a married woman who has committed adultery? Answer: Her husband.

"Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?" :11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee; go, and sin no more." - John 8:10-11


My cousins in Christ; I wish farewell for now.

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Subject: Post 200 A: Veritas Vos Liberabit


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Post 200 A: Veritas Vos Liberabit

Genocide:
Truth, it's an interesting concept. Unfortunately, it seems to be something politicians try to avoid at every turn. Preferring instead leather boomer jackets on flight deck, (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) with a cartoon character strutting about.

Every American Moslem should sleep soundly. Little George has nether the means nor the ball to comitt anything anywhere near a genocide. Truth be known the civilized world doesn't have the stomach for it. It would probably take someone reared in a mud hut surrounded by camel dung to do such a thing. Besides, Little George would have to get his lilly white Kennybunkport Maine rich boy patrician hands dirty.

I'm sure there are many Moslem who wish nothing more than to live peaceful lives and watch their children grow up. People are always missing the point. They always take religion to be absolute truth. When, in fact, religion, all religions, are not. They are a metaphor for an unsolvable mystery. It's as simple as this; politicians lie. Whether their Republican or Democrat; American or Iraqi; Christian or Moslem; Syrian or Saudi Arabian, all politicans lie and kiss babies. And when their not kissing babies their stealing their lolly pops. It's one big club. And one has to sell their soul to get in it. Peace.

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Subject: Post 199 A: From where do you come?


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Post 199 A: From where do you come?

LIGHT 1. a: something that makes vision possible
5. a: spiritual illumination b: INNER LIGHT c: ENLIGHTENMENT d: TRUTH

War 2. a: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b: a struggle between opposing forces or for a particular end. - Webster's

Christian Fundamentalist claim to believe in a complete and literal interpretion of the Bible. The truth is Christian Fundamentalists are not literalists, as they claim to be. They cherry-pick what they will and they won't believe.

The Bible itself is a contradiction in several areas.
There are two Gospels that say Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, but the Gospel of Luke says John the Baptist was already in prison at that time. There are also three different versons of the TEN COMMANDMENTS (Exodus 20, Exodus 34, and Deuteronomy 5). My personal favorite is where God made the sun and moon stand still so Joshua could finish a battle. It was the idea of ancient people that the Earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. If one insists the Bible must be read as literal fact then one must say that all the knowledge of science gaimed from the time of Galileo to the persent day is false. If one says that the writters of the Bible just got it wrong then must concede the fact that the Bible was written by man and not by God. Therefore, if that is the case then man, being man and fallible, makes errors, falsehoods. Either the Bible is correct and infallible or it is not. One cannot have it both ways. Either God did not know how his own universe worked or fallible man wrote the Bible.
To the ancients it could have been a literal truth. Consider the possibility that there could have been two great lights shinning down and giving light so the Israelites could finish off the Amorites. This could entail the possibility of an outside technically advanced force using its technical abilities to assist the Israelites in their war of conquest. One must then ask the question, is this outside force the ancient God of the Israelites?

"Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel. - JOSHUA 10: 12-14

American Fascism
The scholar Robert O. Paxton writes of fascism as "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cultures of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboraton with traditional elites, abondons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

The problem with this definition is some of it is so general it could fit any people or persons of any race, faction, nationality or ethnicity at a given time in their lives. Particularly when some, if not most, might be true for a section or group of people.
I do see a need for a return to a more ethical way of life. I see a truth in many of the of the old laws, no matter what their true origin might have been. I see a need to reture to true justice.

"For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adultress will hunt for the precious life." - Proverbs 6:26

"So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent. 30: Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; 31: But if he is found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house." - Proverbs 6:29-30

"For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance. 35: He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts." - Proverbs 6:34-35

"And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." - Matthew 19:9

By the way, one good Congressman with noble intentions introduced a bill to make adultery punishable by fine and or imprisonment. His bill, apparently, went nowhere. This points out with clarity the hypocrisy one finds amoungst our nations Law Makers. If they truly were for "family values" they would have voted the bill into law. I would have liked to have seen that bill voted into law. Adultery is the thing which destroys more marriages and families than anything else.

People say "you can't legislate morality." Actually, you can. We do it all the time. We make it illegal for adults to have sex with minors, as indeed we should. This is legislation of morality.

My beef with this new rightwing Christian Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Dominionist movement is the litmus test of absolute "truth," as if they have it and have a corner on the market for it. I think they have no more of a corner on truth then do they have on an identity of God. I do, by the way believe in God. How God chooses to enforce his will from afar is his own business.

About genocide and war:
I see this whole thing, this war of religion, coming from the same source. I see it as coming from the collaboration between the Bush administration and the Saudi government. Fifteen of the ninteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. O. Ben laden was, is, a Saudi, isn't he? He's never ben caught, has he? His father was a friend of G.H.W. Bush, wasn't he? What is the purpose of war to arms dealers and oil producers? The purpose is to make money.
If you're going to commit genocide on a people and a religion (ideology) you consider fatally dangerous, then do it. Either shittsky or get off Der pot.

From the Light.

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Subject: Post 198 A: Truth, as is!


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Post 198 A: Truth, as is!

In post 197 A(3), I asked the question, if what we are told about Islam is true, that they believe they have a mandate from God to make the entire world Moslem or enslave or kill those who will not convert, then do we not have the right to exterminate them, at least those who are trying to kill us?

The problem is, those Moslems who say they don't intend us any harm give passive approval to those who do intend us harm by their silence when terrorist strike. They don't speak out against those radicals of their own faith. Therefore, is a genocide in order. I'm not saying I approve of one. I'm just asking the question; is a genocide in order?

I don't believe G. W. Bush would ever order a genocide because G.W. Bush never did anything about anything. It should have become painfully clear to even the most stanch republican by now that the only reason we're in Iraq is to make money for Haliburton and the Carlyle Group.

About killing, I was trained as a solider (Marine). The purpose of a solider is to kill.
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Some think the idea of Dueling to be funny. A Duel is a lot of things. Funny isn't one of them.

The Duel with pistol gives each opponent an equal chance. That's why big men don't like it. They have been used to using their size to bully people around all their live. So when it comes down to the fact that they might get killed in a fair fight by someone smaller then themselves, their true nature comes out. The nature of a coward.

Unfortunately it has become the normal nowdays for five street punks who beat up one guy to represent themselves as "brave men." It's no different when you have one guy who is twice the size of another. The big guy is NO brave man.

A lot of stupid women think that kind of bully, punk, gang violence to be manly. It's the same kind of low class street trash women who want "A thick pair of lips to kiss you with and a thick pair of boots to kick you with - Henry Higgins" for themselves.

Or rather I should say they want a man with a thick pair of lips to kiss them with and a thick pair of boots to kick them with. The kind of woman with no class or breeding.

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Subject: Post 193: WHAT IS THE GRAIL; WHOM DOES IT SERVE.


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Post 193: WHAT IS THE GRAIL; WHOM DOES IT SERVE.

I, Michael D. Barnes, ask you for just a few minutes put aside the quaint, simplistic, almost childlike idea of an omniscient, invisible, all powerful, magical old man in the sky zipping around with something akin to a magic wand; granting wishes here and punishing those there who dare to question his infinite love.

Imagine that all you have to go on is science; the study of things that are now known of in this our known universe.

Does life exist here? Yes.
Can it exist out there in the universe? Yes.
What are the odds that life exists our there? Almost any reputable scientist will give you any odds you like that life, even intelligent exists out there, somewhere, in that vastness.

Have you ever wondered how man went, in a very short time, from apeman, to homo sapien sapien man?
I wonder what was that spark; what was that single gene that caused all this, this creature that we are now, for better or worse.
??????????????????????????????????????????????humm!

What is the Grail; Whom does it serve?
"The Grail is you, my Lord. As you prosper, the land will prosper. As you fall, the land will fall."

The Grail is a Bloodline; moreover the Grail is a Gene.
Whom does it serve? The Grail, the Bloodline, ergo the Gene, serves the human race.

It has been speculated that the gene, in time, turns ape-man into homo sapien man; homo sapien man into homo sapien sapien man; and eventually homo sapien sapien into a type of "superman" able to spread his species into the known galaxies.

Indeed, it has been suggested that this "Gene," this "stone from heaven," this "Holy Grail" is itself not from this world. Consider the legends we have been left with, those by the ancient Mesopotamians of the Anunnaki gods from the sky and, the biblical account of the Nephilim.

At that the sons of the gods saw the daughters of man, that they were good; and took them for wives, of all which they chose. The Nephilim were upon the earth in those days, and thereafter too, when the sons of the gods cohabited with the daughters of men, and they bore children unto them. They were the mighty ones of eternity - the people of the shem (Genesis 6:1-4).

Shem - an ingested substance or something taken within which produced long life. (Bread of Life); *(Eucharist)*; Shem-an-na transmutes base metal into gold, akin to the Philosophers Stone. "They live by virtue of a stone most pure."

What has happened to those who left "a stone most pure?"
As Charles Hoy Fort (1867-1923) in his work 'The Book of the Damned'put it: "I think we're property. I should say we belong to something:
That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something:
That something owns this earth - all others warned off....I suspect that, after all, we're useful - that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive, owners of us - that all of this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received - from Somewhere else - in our mysterious usefulness."

Perhaps fear exists that we may indeed spread out into "their", those that now own us, galaxies. Perhaps they know in order to stop the spread of mankind they must locate, root out, sterilize and ultimately destroy this "supergene."

Closer to the Grail bloodline then any other, including the Sinclairs, is the line of the Puryers, Perriers, Puryears, periers, Parar, NEFERKHEPERURE, the Fruit of the Tree of Life. The Masons; the stone from heaven.

However, nothing is ever said of us by any author. I don't know if we're being protected of slighted by those authors who have a vested interest in promoting the lines of their wealthy european investers and or retainers.

Notice all the emblems that represent the Grail. In the feminine is the cup or chalice and the platter. In the masculine is the spear or lance and the sword. Among the bloodline itself is the Tree of Life and The Fruit of the Tree of Life.

The Puryer family is represented on their many family coats-of-arms by fruited trees, pears, grapes and lances. Knowing the story of the Grail Quest one would have to be a complete imbecile to miss it.

P.S. Neferkheperure, as in Neferkhe-perure, as in Neferkhe - Perure, as in "PERURE", as in Akhenaten, as in Amenhotep IV. PERURE, get it? Perure, Perure, perure, PeRuRe, pErUrE. Now somebody please tell me, what is so damned hard about that??
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Subject: Perrers Name


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My mothers maiden name is Perrers, and it is very rare in the world today. I am trying to research the history of the name and have come across a cluster around 1367 - 1400 with Alice Perrers, Edward Perrers and James de Perrers. I am interested in finding our much more. As far as I know there are only 18 people born with the surname Perrers still alive in the world today 5 in Scotland, 1 in New Zealand and 12 in AUstralia - all related up to 3rd cousin coming from the one descendant from Devon born 1820 - Jonathon MArshall Collins Perrers. ANy info would be reatly received.

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Subject: Post 192: THE PURYER ORIGINS; A partial review list.


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Post 192: The Puryer Origins; A partial review list.
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PURYER,
The surname Puryer and its variants Perrier, Perryer, Peryer, Puryear, and Purrier may be of an origin in France of an occupational origin. The name may be derived from the Old French word "perrier or perrieur" indicating "one who cut or quarried stone". It is also possible that the name is of local origin, indicating "one who came from Perrier (stone quarry", the name of places in England and France.

'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'
Page 297.
"According to Wolfram, then, the Grail is a stone of some kind. ...Lapsit exillis might be a corruption of Lapis ex caelis - "stone from the heavens." It might also be a corruption of Lapsit ex caelis - "it fell from the heavens"; or of Lapis Lapsus ex caelus - "a stone fell from heaven"; or, finally, of Lapis elixir - the fabulous Philosopher's Stone of alchemy. ...And as we had discovered, Jesus, in the New Testament, explicitly equates himself with the "the keystone neglected by the builders" - the keystone of the Temple, the Rock od Sion."

This name can also be found in England, having been brought there during the Norman French invasion of 1066. Here it may also be derived from the Old English word "pirige or pyrige" meaning "a pear tree".

Notice the carving on the backrest of the Throne of St. Mark in Venice. The Tree of Life is shown with four rivers of Paradise flowing from its roots.

From the Book; 'The Norman People', Page 361.
"That of Perier was of P. in Bretagne (Des Bois), and descended from Budic, Count of Cornouailles c. 900, whose younger son Periou gave name to Perieres, Bretagne. A branch came to England 1066, and Matilda de Perer was mother of Hugo Parcarius, who lived t. Henry I. The name continually occurs in all parts of England: hence the Perys, Earls of Limerick. There was also a Norman family of Perers (see Perrier, Shakspeare), which bore different arms.

Book: 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail',
page 263. Chart; (Continuation of The Merovingian Dynasty - "The Lost Kings")
The line of ROTILDE, daughter of Charles the II, the Bald, of France, and SIGISBERT VI, "Prince Ursus" son of Helderic I, Count of Razes.
The line is indicated as being, "Line exiled to Brittany after failure of uprising against Louis II in 881."

Book: 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail', page 222 in the new book, page 268 in the old.
Slaughter in Languedoc; page 223 ...At that time, Provencal Languedoc was not part of France but an independent state. Politically, it was more associated with the northern Spanish frontier, having the Count of Toulouse as its overlord - a remnant of the Septimanian Kingdom.

Page 185 in the new book: 'King of the Jews',
The Jewish kingdom of Septimania (The Midi) was then established in 768, from Nimes to the Spanish frontier, with Narbonne as its capital.
Pages 111 and 112 in the new book: Mary Magdalene; Lady of the Lake,
"...The family was prominent in Aquitaine - an area with a name that also has roots in acquae ('waters') or acqs, as indeed does the town name of Dax, west of Toulouse, which stems from d'Acqs. Here, Merovingian kingly branches that evolved from the Fisher Kings became Counts of Toulouse and Narbonne, also Princes of the Septimanian Midi (the territory between France and Spain).
Another family branch, related through the female line, was granted the Celtic Church heritage of Avallon, with Viviane del Acqs acknowledge as the hereditary High Queen in the early 6th century. Subsequently, in Brittany, a correspounding male branch of the Provencal House del Acqs became the Comtes (Counts) de Leon d'Acqs in descent from Viviane I's granddaughter Morgaine."

Book: 'Armorial General - Riestap'
page 415,
Perrier (Barons du) - Lang. D'azur a la bande d'or, ch. de trois poires de gu., tigees de sin., posees dans le sens de la bande. les tiges en haut, la bande acc. d'un soleil d'or, pose au canton sen. du chef.

The same coat of arms appears in England under the name "Puryer", Azure, a bend or, charged with three pears gules, leaved vert, posed in bend the leaves up. In chief sinister canton a figured sun in splendour or.

P.S., The "Lang." stands for "Languedoc". And,
Azure is Blue;
Or is Gold;
Gules is Red;
Vert is Green.
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Subject: Post 191: Ceci Perrieur, qui est-ce?


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Date Posted: 14:22:52 04/24/07 Tue
Post 191: Ceci Perrieur, qui est-ce?
teltalheart.
So, it is the opinion of many a man that at least six out of ten woman are whores. And they're probably right, if you consider the biblical definition of a whore as being a woman that has sex outside the bonds of marriage. Whether that be pre-marital, or cheating on her spouse or lover.

'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'
113-1-1
Many women would say men are a lot worse; and they would probably be right. But, I have never seen a man cheat without someone to cheat with.
114-10-1
Why was this particular sinful woman brought before Jesus, for him to judge? This woman long time thought to be Mary Magdalene?
115-41-1
She may have been an adulteress, but I don't think she was a prostitute.
119-1-1
Who know, maybe Jesus was married and had a wife and children.
118-1-1
Maybe the adulteress had been caught cheating on her husband.
117-34-1
Why did some of the disciples seem to despise Mary so?
116-1-1
Perhaps the villagers brought the adulteress woman before her husband, for him to judge her.
122-14-1
Is the picture becoming clearer? Good!
Now put it into Context.
124-1-2
This would bring into question the legitimacy of any bloodline existing from Jesus and, put the line of his younger brother back into the spotlight as a line of legitimate descent.
342-2-4
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Subject: Post 189 it becoms a thoroned monarch better than his crown


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Date Posted: 08:57:16 04/13/07 Fri
Post 189: "...it becomes a throned monarch better than his crown..."

I have been surfing the waves around the net here lately and find the world to be a weird, strange, and perverted place. It never ceases to stun me. I don't know why, at my age not much should. Still, the world always seems to.

I've been watching the latest distraction from the pilfering from the United States coffers and thereby the pockets of John Q Public, you and me, which is of course the Don Imus incident. If what they're angry about is being call "HOs" (whores), and it's seen fit to strip Imus of his First Amendment Rights, then by all means let Imus be fired, but, and this, ladies is a BIG BUTT, let us take the opposite approch as well. As in a court of law, let a polygraph operator and his machine be called in, these women hooked up to it and asked questions about their sexual pasts, just to see if they really are whores. I can guess the answers will be shocking.

Any polygraph operator will tell you, women admit to, at least, twice as many sexual encounters when hooked up to the machine as they had admitted to previously to their boy friend or husband. It seems some women lie with complete abandon, when they can get away with it.

In my era, in my America, there was this idea of a strange little thing that was instilled in some of us called "Honor", an idea of right and wrong.
I have made mistakes in my time, but, I have the good graces to admit to them and be ashamed of them.
It just seems to me that most women are ashamed of nothing.

As a guy, and I have spoken to many guys about this and, we have come to the conclusion that:
A. Ten percent of woman are lesbians or, are closet bisexual freaks.
B. About sixty to seventy percent of women are whores. This according to the biblical discription of a 'whore'.
C. Last but not least, about twenty percent of women, that's two out of ten, are worthwhile human beings.

Why has the world become such a perverted place, without morals or standards?

During WWII the group of wealth individuals who, basiclly, own and run this world saw that women could indeed work. "What a great idea", they thought, "we can slowly increase inflation to the point where women are forced to leave the home and find work, this will double our net worth right off the bat and, this will also have the added advantage of putting these wives and mother into situations where they can be coerced, cajoled, threatened and down right forced into preforming sexual acts. And, once there's video or pictures of them preforming these acts on a room full of supervisors we know we have them in a grip they can never get out of, and they'll then be virturally sex slaves."
"We will also have the added bonus of them not being at home to raise their children, or their bosses children whom the became pregnant by, and being able to instill morals into their children and, we hope especially their daughters. This will leave their daughters, we hope, with morals and direction little more then that of a street whore, making them easy targets for sexual coercion and abuse."
"We can also introduce drugs which will further demoralize the nation while at the same time saying we have a war on drugs. It will both make us even richer while running the nations morals down into a quagmire of filth."
"Let us add to that politicians that we will select and handle with handlers that will tell the public that they are for them then, turn around and take the entire tax burden off the wealth class, our class, and put the entire tax burden on the middle class and the poor where it belongs, on those damn bunch of maggots." Well, that, in my opinion, is how I see it.

What should you do, my friends? Learn the truth. Try to treat each other with kindness and understanding. That to even include Imus, even though he's not one of the poor common, like us. Remember, the rich don't give a tinker's damn about us. We're all we've got. And, by the way, if Al Sharpton is a Reverend then I'm the big bad wolf off of little red riding hood. If you're going to use his title then use all of mine.

'The quality of mercy is not strain'd, It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath:' - William Shakespeare (Saxeby,Sacespee,Shakkesby,Sasby/Pirariis,Perers,Perriers, Puryears)
teltalheart/moderator, a.k.a. The Rev. Sir Michael, Lord Barnes.
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Subject: Post 188: A Continuation of post 187


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Date Posted: 09:32:23 03/16/07 Fri
Post 188: A Continuation of post 187.

By allowing someone on my site, such as Sasa, does not mean that I necessarily agree with their opinion. Everyone has the right to speak, and provided one doesn't get too preachy I will allow them to speak here. I have the right to allow you on or remove you if I feel it necessary. Remember; "you can speak your mind, but not on my time."

Getting back to Iraq and the way the war has been conducted, Bush and most of the world knows what needs to be done and, no one will say the words. If you have an enemy that is determined to kill you then you have to kill the enemy first.

It was a waste to send troops into Iraq to topple a dictator we had helped put in place around 1968. I can only suspect it must have been a war by proxy for Saudi Arabia. The very place 15 of the 17 911 hijackers came from. All I have seen the war do is make Haliburton even richer, and give Bush a excuse to do whatever he liked and pass whatever silly bill to benefit the rich he wanted. From what I see Bush is just playing at what really needs to be done.

Think of it, if you have an enemy who wants you to convert or die; you have a fundamentalist with whom you can't speak rationally. Just try talking rationally to a christian fundamentalist sometimes. But, at least the christians won't want you dead. To put it in simple terms, you can't put a collar on a mad dog and make it into a pet. The answer has always been simple; make three separate nations for the three separate factions and give them each a portion of the oil wells.

But, that still leaves the question of what do we do with a people of a religion that see it as their duty to kill the rest of the world that does not follow their faith. I think it leaves only one answer: If you will not live in peace, then you must die.

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Subject: Post 187 A: An answer for Pahu, and a question for you.


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Post 187A: An answer for Pahu, and a question for you.

Pahu, I completely understand your frustration with Islamists. We keep being told that there are only a handful of these "extremists" by various western governments and those chosen by these western governments to represent Islamists. These are the show pony Islamists that are trotted out for news interviews in front of cameras. They always represent Islam as a truly peaceful religion. Yet, these "peaceful Muslims" they never seem to public stand against their more radical brethren, thereby giving them tacit support and embolden them.
--I'm still trying to figure Islam out. I have heard and read that Islam is a religion of peace. I've heard and read that Islam is religion that tells its followers that all non-muslims are infidels and deserve and or are required to be killed or enslaved by true believing Muslims. I have also read and heard that Islam is a peaceful religion, but only to other Muslims.

Just before and during World War II Nazism became a full-scale and very real religion. But, to my knowledge, it never required caucasian Germans to join the Nazi party or follow that religion. It was brutal and repressive and demanded its citizens not interfere. But, I cannot recall it killing anyone for not joining.

The "so-called" free world saw fit to destroy Nazism in its entirety in Germany. Because, apparently, it was so dangerous.

If Islam teaches its followers that non-muslims are to be killed, how is it any less dangerous? If Muslims see it as their duty to kill non-muslims, and to make the entire world muslim, or else, would it not be required of the entire "so-called" free world to exterminate the Islamic religion, on the grounds of self preservation?

Or, do we take the route of Jesus, "Love thy neighbor as thy self?" To love thy neighbor as thy self, carried to its fullness would mean depending on the kindness of an enemy and risk being killed or made slaves. So, either we shouldn't be in Iraq, or we aren't doing near enough. I guess the answer would depend on the entire western world's resolve.

All I can say, Pahu, is any religion that permits, demands, or requires its followers to kill and or enslave and subjugate non-followers is completely and totally evil. I just wish we didn't have a moron at the wheel of the greatest nation in this world. :-)

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Subject: IMPORTANT END TIMES INFORMATION


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Date Posted: 16:23:45 02/12/07 Mon
I am in service to the Father and Christ as the Chosen One to bring forth the Truth to light. Together with my sisters of the Light of Life Ministry we have a very important message to deliver to all of mankind.

The hourglass is nearly empty. The culmination of End Times is upon us and the Great Tribulation is just around the corner. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) A Good Heart Condition. (2) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior.

We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message: An Important End Times Message

For additional End Times information also visit: End Times Truths Revealed

And for Free End Times Newsletters visit: : End Times Truths Newsletters

We don’t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren’t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass.

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Subject: Post: 181, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


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Date Posted: 14:46:50 12/24/06 Sun
Post: 181, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Though it may seem odd coming from ourselves, here's to wishing the Lord of Hosts blesses and keeps you and yours this Christmas and in the coming New Year; Salute! - M.D.B./teltalheart
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Thanks for hanging in there and Merry Christmas toy you and yours as well. btw I post at 64855

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Subject: Islam is the Enemy


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Date Posted: 17:29:22 12/09/06 Sat
ISLAM IS THE ENEMY
A Letter From An American Airlines Pilot


This well-spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart beautifully Read, absorb and pass on. It's time to get answers from those who claim their terrorist members do not represent them. Why are their leaders not LOUDLY AND FIERCELY AND CONTINUOUSLY condemning their visible murderous brethren?

YOU WORRY ME! By American Airlines Pilot Captain John Maniscalco:

I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. The Palestinians Celebrated. The Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world.

So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me. I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"?

Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords, a freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy. I am only interested in action.

What will you do for America—our great country—at this time of crisis, at this time of war? I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America " I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance?

It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion.

A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again.

A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide.

A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.

A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air.

A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth.

A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY FRIENDLY CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that thinks and acts like most Americans? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us?

If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, and your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I want to know where every Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU to show ME where YOU stand. Until then, you worry me!

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Subject: Post 154 A: Answers To The Nature Of The Idea Of God.


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Date Posted: 04:33:04 10/07/05 Fri
Post 154A: Answers to the nature of the idea of God. A.K.A., why can't some who post on www.voy.com/40560/ read the many posts and get the answer they seek rather than asking a question already answered?

Definitions:
1. Gravity - the gravitational attraction of the mass of the earth, moon, or a planet for bodies at or near its surface.

2. Conspiracy - the act of conspiring together. an agreement among conspirators. anything that is not an act of God, by the terms very meaning, is a conspiracy.

On 09/08/05 I received a post on this board from someone calling themself 'Truth Telling Ted' or was it 'Tall Tale Telling Tim'? Whatever, asking me a question already answered on this board. The following is to the writer, and that's using the term liberally, of that post.

Dear Ted, or Tim:
Since you obviously didn't read much of my posts, or were not able to comprehend them, I must assume either your educational level is not up to par or, you just wanted to hear yourself talk. The former is forgivable.

The post went like this:
"Subject: Is Gravity a Conspiracy?
In an attempt to research religious history, I came across this page by sheer happenstance. Although I firmly believe you have engaged in a pasttime of trememndous researchable proportions, there are many flaws in the noble cause of your endeavors. I was quite taken aback by some of your claims, including those of religion and politics. For instance, the "Howard Honeysuckle 7th Grade Science project" example smirks of ..well..atheism. I disagree with but respect those who rationalize atheism through a strong belief in science and often a firm belief, if you will, in nothing. Which is in and of itself a paradox. If an atheist believes in nothing, then the existence of "nothingness" would include the nonexistence of belief. Therein lies the nonbelievers day to day life of an oxymoric of: "My belief is simply to not believe." Humankind has attempted to explain the scientific mysteries of the universe ever since early humans were able to utter gutteral Uhgs and yawts. there are many Praticulars of physics, math, chemistry, biology in which the greatest thinkers in history of the world have not been able to explain. Explain to me, sir. What is gravity? Yes, I know you will explain that it is a force of attraction of 3 dimensional bodies of mass..bada bing, bada boom, blah blah. Insead, I ask you explain..Why it exist? Where did it come from? Where did electrons come from? Protons? Neutrons? Are they an experiment of your fictious "Howard Honeysuckle?" Come now. There is a degree of acceptance..or should I dare say..belief that these things simply exist as they are, and we do not have the cerebral advancements to explain them accuratelyor understand them yet. I Personally have never seen gravity. I do konw things fall down to the earth. I have witnesed it. Where, however is gravity? I don't see it? I feel it though. Do you feel it? Is it real to you?
--Sir, you are welcome to write whatever you please in your forum. However, from some of your posts, it seems you have experienced workplace conflicts. The realm of free speech often ends where the right to exist in peace for others begins. To explain the creation/evolution of all that exists as some science project of an E.T. instead of a God, or the God, creating life and the laws of Physics, chemistry, biology etc., is as bizarre as trying to say gravity does not exist because you cannot explain why gravity exists. That Howard Honeysuckle has conspicuously created gravity as an invisible force. Therefore in alll the Renaissance art of the past, including Leonardo Davinci's, gravity has been conspicuously absent in the artwork. Therefore, there is a secret society of Gravity Lore. There exists societiies..secret ones..who wish to destroy the true knowledge of gravity..geez. Open your mind..and your heart..you willabsolutely feel him. Especially after you've fallen..the thing that lifts you is HIM. Try it sometime."

HOW DARE YOU TAKE THE NAME OF HOWARD HONEYSUCKLE IN VAIN!, ha ha, just kidding. You obviously didn't read or understand anything about any of my posts. I assume it was just because all you really wanted to do was make a speech and hear yourself talk. You wanted to sound intelligent. You're not. Instead of gravity you should have used 'String Theory'. It's much more mysterious. Einstein called it "spooky." You called me an "atheist." I have NEVER said I was an atheist. That was a lie on your part. All I have ever said is the existence of God cannot be proven. If you can prove the existence of God, by all means do so. But you can't, can you. So it remains what it is, someones opinion.

In your minds eye if something can't be explained it MUST be the work of God, and thereby prove the existence of God. Since we can't explain where viruses come from it must be the work of God, and if some poor soul should contract viral pneumonia we should let him/her die. After all, it is the will of God. Perhaps the diseases are actually DEMONS, and instead of using medicines we should gather around them and chant and pray and have an exorcism. Since God visits bad things on bad people and good things on good people, the executives of Enron, World Com, Global Crossing, Exxon, and the George W. Bush administration must be some of the best and most righteous people of all especially with Karl Rove's penis filling up Jeff Gannon's anus, (see my last post, post 153A: Neo-Con Cowboys Riddin' the ol' Jezzum Trial).
--The charater of Howard Honeysuckle was a character I created as a comedy parody on the idea of God. Instead of creating him to be a wise old man with a long flowing white beard, I created him as a temperamental, spoiled child.
--I have always found it amazing and amusing when dour, right-wing, fundamentalist christians say they have a "personal relationship" with God, something of which they have not the slightest evidence of its/his existence. How does one have a personal relationship with something one does not know and have never met, something completely alien to oneself? Such a relationship is not possible and does not exist and, is only the delusion of he/she who imagines he/she has such a relationship with the great unknown and unknowable.
-- I believe that my reverence for he/she that is the unknown and unknowable is much more in line with what would be expected and accepted than the average fundamentalist, who speaks of God with the same words (adjectives) one might use to describe a warm puppy. You have obviously not read my writing on Enlil or, the book, Genesis of the Grail Kings. I suggest you do so before approaching the subject again.
--What disgusts me about fundamentalist christians is that instead of revering the great unknown and unknowable, they try to personalize him/it in such a way as to put the great unknown in a box to make him/it manageable, as one would do with a product. Because, what we are actually dealing with are managers. Nothing more than a bunch of little small-minded grocery clerks. They are fearful of the Great Unknown, they feel they must categorize it, give it a face, and be able to tally it up like they would a sack of flour.
--What fundamentalist christians actually have is a personal relationship with a old book compiled about 500 B.C. to 64 A.D. The writers of which believed the Sun revolved around the Earth, as is pointed out in Joshua and the battle of Jericho.
--If the Great Unknown, categorized as God, by small minded men, cannot be categorized, given a stamp of approval, given an SKU number, relegated to some file somewhere, put away in a small box for safe keeping and trotted out every Sunday like some show pony to prove man still has control over the Idea of God, aka, the Great Unknown, so man need not fear the great unknown for he has it firmly under control and in its place where it should be.
--Fearful man has even given the great unknown a voice through an old book witten by other fearful men of long ago who imagined what the great unknown would or might say if it spoke. Man peered into the darkness and found nothing looking back at him. Perhaps there was something evil in the darkness, something that would come out of the darkness and kill him. Still, nothing came out of the darkness. Perhaps what was in the darkness was benevolent. After all it hadn't harmed him. Still, nothing came from the darkness. Perhaps, thought man, the great unknown being within the darkness actually loved him, as a father to a son, or a creator to a creation. Other fearful men of long ago wrote down what they imagined the great unknown being might say if he/it spoke to man. It naturally told man that he was good but, man imagined, the great unknown being would tell man to stay on the straight and narrow path (the path of conformity and nonquestioning), that of his right thinking ancestors, and not to stray from the narrow path or allow doubt to enter his mind as to the existence of the great unknown & unknowable being and, to sternfully admonish, chastise and vilify anyone who should show the slightest sign of doubt. In creating such a book ancient man gave justification to those followers of the three western religions Judaism, Christianity & Islam religions of latter centuries a basis with which to marginalize, bully, harass, ostracize, segregate, unemploy, impoverish, enslave and kill anyone who dares to have a difference of opinion with their accepted dogma.
--I find your comment on my disagreements with others, in or out of the work place, interesting. You have immediately cast me as aggressor/offender without any evidence to substantiate that claim, other than the fact that my view on religion differs from yours. It's what I've come to expect from people like you, you know, people who pre-judge. In fact I was not, and never have been, the aggressor in these disagreements. But, if someone chooses to pontificate their religious beliefs in my presence I have the right to voice my opinion/belief on the subject without being screamed at "SHUT UP, SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP!" I find it the case that a large group of small minded people in this world believe that everyone, with the exception of themselves, should be FORCED into silence. They feel, without any evidence to support their position, that they have the "right" to silence any opinion contrary to their own, particularly any opinion that brings up evidence that disproves their claims.
--If there was to be only one accepted opinion and it was to be the original one then, my distant uncle, Jesus, would have been silent and would have fell in behind the teachings of the Pharisees and or the Sadducees.
--Christians have the idea that their religion is the original, the first and only directly from the Garden of Eden, which is obviously wrong. The christian religion started with its creator, Paul, Saul of Tarsus, who misrepresented, mismanaged and misinterpreted the message of Jesus.

"We want to think about God. God is a thought. God is an idea. But its reference is to something that transcends all thinking. He is beyond being, beyond the category of being and non-being. Is he or is he not? Neither is nor is not. Every God, every mythology, every religion is true in this sense. It's true as metaphorical of the human and cosmic mystery. He who thinks that he knows, doesn't know. He who knows that he doesn't know, knows. There is an old story that's still good, the story of the quest, the spiritual quest, that is to say to find the inward thing which you basically are. All of these symbols in mythology refer to you, have you been reborn, have you died to your animal nature and come to life as a human incarnation? You are God in your deepest identity. You are one with the transcendent." - Joseph Campbell
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Subject: Post 153 A: Neo-con cowboys riddin' the ol' jezzum trail.


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Post 153A: Neo-con cowboys riddin' the ol jezzum trail.

Christian conservatism, now what the hell does that mean, anymore? It seems to mean, now "we do what we want and we shroud it with the mantel of Jesus so nobody can question it."

About two weeks ago Jay Leno, on his late night show, kept saying "did you hear the rumors, Karl Rove has got a girlfriend." He said that three nights straight in his monologue. Don't you wonder why that came up in his monologue, three nights straight? White House pressure?

Karl Rove does have a girlfriend. His name is Jeff Gannon, or so I'm told.
They say Gannon was at the White House some thirty eight time, when there was no press conference being held and no reason for him to be there, in the middle of the night. In case you don't know, Jeff Gannon was a reporter for Talon News service. But before he was a reporter it's said he was a gay male prostitute. Karl Rove is said to be the person who got Gannon the press passes to the White House. Karl Rove is also the Republican wonder boy who dreamed up all the ways to try to make the Democrats look like a weak, sissified, femininish, whinning, homosexual-loving, pink parasoled bunch of wussies. When in actuality, and this is so cool, it's actually Karl Rove who's in the pink parasol brigade. Karl Rove, the brains of the Republican party. So it seem some of the Republicans are not what they pretend to be, lies by lying liars. Some are just rough-riddin' cowboys riddin' that ol' homosexual jezzum trail.

So Republicans, how does the image of Karl Rove with his penis buried ball deep in Jeff Gannon's anus, perhaps in the Oval Office itself where it was so holy holy holy that Reagan wouldn't even take off his coat, fit into your Christian conservatism, and your Christian coalition?

The White House has tried to sweep all this under the rug, which is what republicans and conservative Christians do to anything that doesn't go their way.

An example of this "amnesia" that Christians seem to have can be found in the first chapter of the book 'The Messianic Legacy'. I have read this book several years ago, and am now rereading for the purposes of research.

In 'The Messianic Legacy' it's pointed out that great strides have been made in biblical research in the past sixty years, but when presented to the public it makes an impression, sometimes akin to "shock-horror", like footprints on a beach, and is almost immediately washed away in the mind of the public as if the discoveries and new information never happened.

Those in seminary and the professional side of the church are taught these new discoveries and are taught different ideas on Christianity. They're familiarized with all manner of books on Christian ideas, from 'The Last Temptation of Christ - which was written way back in 1954, 'The Passover Plot' (1963), to 'The Messianic Legacy' (1986) and 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' (1996), but none of this new information seem to be taught by church clergy to their laity.

"According to several participants, the prevailing ignorance of New Testament scholarship is in large part the fault of the churches themselves and of the ecclesiastical establishment. Anyone in the ministry, anyone training for the ministry, is, as a matter of course, confronted with the latest developments in biblical research. Any seminarian today will learn at least something of the Dead Sea Scrolls, of the Nag Hammadi Scrolls, of the history and evolution of New Testament studies, of the more controversial statements made by both theologians and historians. Yet this knowledge has not been passed on to the laity. In consequence, a gulf has opened between ecclesiastics and their congregations. Among themselves, ecclesiastics have become eminently sophisticated and erudite. They react to the latest discoveries with blase aplumb, remaining unruffled by theological controversy...Yet nothing of this sophistication has been transmitted to their flock. The flock receives virtually no historical background from the shepherd - who is believed to be the definitive authority in such matters. - 'The Messianic Legacy'

well, that's all for now. Remember, I am only on this page, www.voy.com/40560/, no where else on the net.

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Subject: Post 152A: Son of the Bloodline, The Seventh and First Born.


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Post 152A:Son of the Bloodline, The Seventh and First Born.

In the last post, 151A:, I told you of someone who interprets the will of God by what pops into her mind while she's "prayin' 'bout it." Who interprets the will of God?
Who has the 'right' to interpret the will of God, if he even exists?

Surely, everyone interprets things by what their individual brain tells them. Everyone has their own opinion and interpretion. Should we use the Bible as a guide, rewritten though the New Testament was by the Peter and Paul, especially Paul, and their later disciples. It seems everyone can interpret the Bible their own way as well. Certainly David Korish, Jim Jones, and others have done so, to the horror of everyone. So it seems who you believe depends on who you, the individual person, listens to. There is the overall agreement on the subject, if you're Christian, and then there is the minute details. Dancing, good or bad? Women wearing their hair in a certain style on their head, necessary or not, to be a godly person, or to enter Heaven itself? Once saved always saved, or not? I could go on and on.

Where should we start? How about at the starting point!
GOD: There is not one shred of evidence that supports the existance of a one great overall being we call "God." If you could prove God exists you would be the most famous person on this world, forever. No one has done it yet. That should not be suprising. If God exists, no human being could prove Gods existance. If God does not exist, no human being could prove Gods existance. Only God can prove the existance of God.

I saw sign on a church marquee a few days ago about being a "Son of God" by being "saved." It was sort of hinting that one would be the same as a descendant of the 'Bloodline' if one were to become saved. Perhaps it would make one eligible to enter Heaven, according to one's church, but being a descendant of 'The Bloodline' (Bloodline of the Grail) is completely different I assure you. I have live with it all my life and I can attest that some of what has been said about it is very true.

From the book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh & Henry Lincoln: "BLOOD ROYAL",
"Although Merovingian culture was both temperate and suprisingly modern, the monarchs who presided over it were another matter. They were not typical even of rulers of their own age, for the atmosphere of mystery and legend, magic and the supernatural surrounded them even during their lifetimes. If the customs and economy of the Merovingian world did not differ markedly from others of the period, the aura about the throne and the royal bloodline was quite unique.
--Sons of the Merovingian blood were not "created" kings. On the contrary, they were automatically regarded as such on the advent of their twelfth birthday. There was no public ceremony of anointment, no coronation of any sort. Power was simply assumed, as by sacred right."..."According to one modern commentator: We may be in the presence of ancient usage of polygamy in a royal family - a family of such rank that its blood could not be ennobled by any match, however advantageous, nor degraded by the blood of slaves...It was a matter of indifference whether a queen were taken from a royal dynasty or from amoung courtesans...The fortuna of the dynasty rested in its blood and was shared by all who were of that blood.7" - Wallace-Hadrill, 'The Long-Haired Kings, p. 203ff.

The mumblings I've been hearing lately from different places, including my work place has been, "you're gone'a get it." It's what I would expect to hear from people who understand nothing of the dichotomy and or metaphoric nature of religion. they seem to understand even very little about their own religion, its borrowing from Mithraism. Many of the ancient gods were said to be born of a god and a virgin, such as Adonis, Osiris and Zoroaster. From Mithraism comes the idea of "an apocalypse, a day of judgment, a resurrection of the flesh and a second coming of Mithras himself, who would finally defeat the principle of evil. Mithras was said to have been born in a cave or a grotto, where shepherds attended him and regaled him with gifts. Baptism played a prominent role in Mithraic rites. So, too, did the communal meal. There is a passage in the Mithraic communion which is particularly interesting: 'He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.'" - The Messianic Legacy

I like to believe God exists. Thought I admit can't prove it at all. But, I don't believe he wrote the Bible. Some of the teachings there, I believe do reflect the spirit of God. 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,' etc. Unfortunately the Bible is now used as a hammer for those who want to be in charge to beat other into submission with.

It's, unfortunately, what happens these days with christian who understand little of their own religion that they threaten anyone however they can, who will not walk in lock-step with them. "We'll take away his livelihood, that'll show him," is the attitude.

But, No, that will not show me anything. I am of the Bloodline, and no matter what anyone does nothing will ever change that. We who are of the Bloodline will always be of the Bloodline, and nothing will ever stop or change that. We will always exist. The Bloodline can't be bought away. The Bloodline can't be bartered away. The Bloodline can't be slandered away. The Bloodline can't be hidden away. The Bloodline can't be politicized away. And, the Bloodline can not be prayed away. So everyone can expect us to be around, no matter what.

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Subject: Post 151A: Salutations.


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Post 151A: Salutations.

As most of you out there know I have always tried to be as truthful and correct as possible. I have never intentionally told you anything that was false, and anything that was rumored or was just my opinion I have always tried to indicate it to be as such. Unlike some, such as imbeciles who wish to be superheroes or any number of corporations. Some of which might tell you that they're truthful when, in fact, they are guilty of digging large trenches in their back yard and burying tons of waste in it. That is until the EPA found out.

The fact that I have never intentionally told you anything I knew to be false does not mean others will not lie with absolute abandon about me. If someone has said anything about me and you wish to know if it's true, by all means ask me here of this site(www.voy.com/40560/) and I will tell you the truth.

I have always tried my best to be truthful. I suppose that's why in my youth I always wondered about people who talked, sometimes incessantly, about a being of whom they had not the slightest shred of evidence of his existance. For a while I wondered if there was something wrong with me, when in fact, the problem or "fault" did not lie with me. No one would be happier to find that God exists then I. If true, thing could be set back to right that which has been made so terribly wrong, particularly in the last five years.

While driving through a small town in northern Mississippi last winter I noticed a new church. Next to the new church sat a new bank, about thirty yards away. I observed that the new bank and the new church were made out of the same kind of brick and sat on the same plot of land. I drove on down the road another half mile or so and noticed another church. On the billboard outside the church it read "Have You Opened Your Account In Heaven Yet?" This so typifies what has happened to christianity. It has almost become Corporate Christianity, of which if the stock goes up, the Lord is pleased. It's what Sir Laurence Gardner calls "Churchianity" in which the true meaning of the ideals of jesus, which he wished to foster, love, kindness, generosity, understanding, tolerance, and charity are greatly diluted or ether whitewashed away entirely and replaced with self-centeredness and greed as a core motivator. It reminds me of an SUV driving upper middle-class soccer-mom who finds name brand trendy clothes in a mall store and considers it a minor "miracle."

There's this sister-in-law I know of, I'm not going to say who's sister-in-law, who "prays" about things. Whatever inane and imbecilic idea that pops into her head while she's "praying about it" that must be "the will of God" and she follows it. It should be fairly obvious that this is also how many fanatics and religiously influenced serial killers get their "messages from God." Well, that's all for now, folks. The last few posts, Gobber in the Gulch, will probably be removed some time in the near future. There is no reason why you should have to suffer through my personal problems. I was just trying to put up a truthful defence against part of the myriad of lies told about me.

Until next time I will leave you with this idea. Ways to improve your mind: 1. Under no circumstances should you watch Fox News 2. Don't listen to the Hick & Blubber show 3. Don't listen to the John Girl & Billie Jean show, it's a joke (-;

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Subject: Post 148A: Bush, stealing from the poor and giving to the rich!


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Post 148A: Bush, stealing from the poor and giving to the rich!...IS NOT THE ACT OF ANY TRUE CHRISTIAN ON EARTH!
(teltalheart, www.voy.com/40560/)

I apologies to all, the post I have been writing a rough draft for is not yet ready. I have been working almost constantly while at the same time trying to recover from an auto accident, with the exception of a week I was off work following the crash. At that time I had not yet come up with the idea for the post I am working on. But this post, 148A, is something I felt I just had to say.

How can George W. Bush justify giving $106,000,000,000.00 ($106 Billion) dollars of the poor and middle-class people's money to the Rich? At the same time he is going to cut $10 Billion from the Medicare health insurance for the poor.

It is an absolutely indefensible position for ANYONE to try an defend Bush's actions. Bush is NOT a Christian, and anyone who tries to defend his actions is an assistant to and a practitioner to and of evil. And, yes, even to the Devil himself.
"Well, it's the rich people's money they've paid in!"
No it's not!
The rich don't pay taxes.
I'll give you a sort-of example.
Any time in the past that taxes have been raised on corporations, what is the main complaint you hear from them? "We'll have to raise the price of our product, and the cost will be passed-on to the consumer."
The Rich don't pay taxes, you pay taxes. Ergo, the money that the rich will not have to pay, will be paid by the poor and the middle-class.

Anyone who tries to defend Bush's actions is not a christian, does not have christian values or christian virtues and is merely using the title as a sheepskin to cover whatever evil he or she wishes to do.

I guess one could say Bush is just streamlining the process. No longer will there be the shadowboxing pretence that the Rich actually pay taxes, like you and I.
The only reason corportion don't like higher tax to be placed on them in this country, the U.S.A., is that it does actually hurt the in the world market overseas.

What will happen now that the corporations, the rich, no longer have to pay taxes?
Stocks will rise rapidly!
What will happen when stocks rise rapidly?
Even the most hard-nosed opponent to Social Security being placed in the stockmarket will want to get in on it.
What will happen to the money when it's in the stockmarket, unsecured?
Hum! why would very Rich people to whum the paltry sum of their Social Security check means nothing, be interested in a BIG pile of money (everybodies S.S.) just sitting there? Puzzling, isn't it!

Then the money is stolen, cashed out, ripped-off, disappears, while the market crashes! Why? Because all Bush is doing is running a confidence game, and all he is building is a pyramid scheme. It's designed to do nothing more than steal your money!

George W. Bush is the closes thing I have ever seen to the Anti-Christ. For all I know, he may be the Anti-Christ. He has fulfilled every tenant that the Anti-Christ is supposed to fulfill, thus far. He has done nothing in his time in office but harm the poor and middle-class and help the Rich. And yet, even with all this evidence to the contrary, he has managed to convince one half of the United States population that he's just a good, honest christian man.

It is truly as if a spell of delusion has been cast over half the nation. The only thing left, for those of us that can see, is apprehension and fear; fear for this nation and the world. Apprehension of the destruction devastation we see looming in the future for those who cannot see.

Those who have made a deal with the Devil have, at the end, always been tricked and offered up as a sacrifice.

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Subject: Post 146 A: Slander of the 1st and 7th son. Rewrite 03/10/05


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Rewrite of Post 146A: Slander of the 1st and 7th son. Feb.06,2005,11:30 A.M. CST

All of you who kmow anything about comedy know what was necessary to setup the Alfred E Newman joke on post 145A.

But it is also, unfortunately, all too true. Howard Dean looks like the all American boy, and George W. Bush looks like a used car salesman. At least that's what my wife tells me about Dean, and I can see that about Dean and especially about Bush. (would you buy a car from this guy!)
Like it or not we are a nation whose Presidential elections are beauty contests with the talent portion being mudslinging and lying.

As I have said on my Header, there are those who try their best to slander me in the eyes of the public. Never let yourself be fooled by those kind of people.
I tell the truth as I see it and a lot of people don't like that.
As I have said, I am a typical heterosexual married man.

Someone attempting to slander me has put something on the google search engine for teltalheart from Bill Maher's web page. The post was:
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"Hey Guys, Do You Suck Dick?!" from Dan-S.
Dan-S put this post on the Bill Maher message board because Dan said the husband of a co-worker of his (wife?) had turned "weird" after the birth of he, the co-worker's husband, and his wife's first child. My response was:
#65198 - 10/21 02 07:13AM, "Dan, with all due respect that co-worker is one sick puppy, in my humble opinion!
Heterosexual men are NOT attracted to other men, period. I'm myself am in hot water with my old lady because I'm attracted to other women."

and,
#65688 - 10/23/02 12:30 AM, "Dan, what I meant to say was that husband of hers is "one sick puppy". The world is a crazy place. With all the heterosexual men who are looking for a good woman to be a wife, and that girl, the co-worker of your wife, goes and marries a gay guy. Sick,sick,sick.

The thing about the fish hooks, man that's beyond sick.

Edited by teltalheart (10/23/02 12:26 AM)"
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I may have misspelled something an edited it to be correct.
But you can see the length somebody went to in order to discredit me, dragging something up from all the way back to 10/21/02.
As far as Dan-S goes, whether his (wife), or the co-worker or the co-worker's husband ever existed at all is the guess of the reader. I'll just say this, if some people tell you it's sunny outside, you had better bring an umbrella.

I admit to being somewhat homophobic. I see it as unnatural and disgusting and the idea of it makes my stomach turn. But I don't let it cloud my judgment enough to vote for a simplistic moron with a 95 IQ who walks around with his hands out to his sides like he's in the old west and he's gettin' ready to DRAW at any second. I used to do the same thing many years ago, BUT I WAS 6 YEARS OLD and had a new set of Roy Rogers cap-guns. I wonder why somebody doesn't slap him and say "you're a grown man, stop acting like that!" But then I realize, his handlers have taught him to act like that. It's all part of keeping that lie of the "cowboy" mystique going. Do you want to see what kind of world Bush really comes from? Watch the documentary 'BORN RICH' by Jamie Johnson.

This is a documentary of the rich, how they live their daily lives and their myopic little view of the world and how the rest of us don't understand them. How they spend hours a day with their taylor. How the main focus of their lives are the functions they go to, thrown by others of their kind within their 'exclusive' circle. How the go out drinking within their exclusive circle to their exclusive clubs and spend an average of $800 an night, EACH.

Have you noticed it seems G.W. Bush has had a nose "fixed." It looks as if he's had plastic surgery to make his nose hook slightly downward to make it look like an Eagle's beak. Something, no dought, his handlers have had him do. Bush, "The Eagle!", it makes me laugh every time I say it. Go back and watch 'Animal House'. Bush, "The Flounder!"

A, what I suspect to be, Republican backed documentary recently came on the scene. It tries to explain away the JFK as the same old magic bullet single shooter theory.
It's the same old message, "There is no secret society running the nation, and thereby the world."
I was in the USMC. I have been hunting and target shooting many times. Upon stricking a body, human or deer, a rifle bullet mushrooms. It does not have a slight dent tip and sife of the bullet.
How was that 'dent' in the bullet made? Most police department and military instillations have ordinance barrels or drum filled with water to discharge pistols into. They're made to slow down pistol rounds well enough, but they're usually not made to slow down high powered rifle rounds. Such a round might even strick the side or bottom of the barrel. It could even crack the drum causing the water to leak out require a department or unit to replace the barrel or drum.

Some scientist have recently said that the Egyptian king, Tutankamen, was not murdered. Nope! no plotting against the Grail line here! Not even a single shooter.

In post 145A: I reported, perhaps mistakenly, that the introductory story in the book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', known as 'Village of Mystery', had been exposed as a fraud. The information came from a documentary Produced by Weller/Grossman Productions for the A&E T.V. Network. Exective Producers, Rob Weller and Gary H. Grossman.

It is obvious that the Tower (Tour) Magdala was built and stands today. It is obvious that the Villa Bethania was built. Money to build things doesn't come from nowhere.
Follow the money, it always leads you back to the truth. Whether it's money coming from the Bin Laden family to Maj. James R. Bath then to Arbosco Oil, owned by George W. Bush, or money to build the Tower Magdala.

As far as Pierre Plantard, when someone tells me they're a "lost king", my BS detecter starts clicking away.

In the documentary Dan Burstein, Editor of Secrets of the Code, said: "I think Plantard and his circle were right-wing intellectuals and French nationalists who were trying to create a modern myth by using history and bits and pieces of facts and legends. It's completely clear to me that their creation of the Prieure of Sion is a modern organization, their writing of these secret dossier, their spinning of this myth of the Prieure of Scion and this whole legend was an intentional act."

This line, the line of Jesus' relatives, is supposed to go back to King David and even to Moses, who is believed to be the Pharaoh Akhenaten. Akhenaten's pharaonic name was Neferkheperure. It's said the line still bears the suffix name, "Perure" in one form or another. Such as Parar, Perier, Perrier, Purrier, Purryer, Puryer, and Puryear.

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Subject: Post 143 A: Proof of God? 2 of a series. Idiots at the gate.


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Post 143A: 2 of a series.

The existance of God can not be proven or disproven. Therefore, all religious institutions are "castles in the air" without foundation.
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A man sitting in a restaurant gets up from his table and throws his plate against the wall. He points at the plate and yells, "THE DEVIL IS IN THE SPAGHETTI! THE DEVIL IS IN THE SPAGHETTI!"
_He picks up a fork and starts to stab a woman in the throat who is sitting at a table next to him, yelling, "THE DEVIL IS IN HER!"
_The born-again religion storm-troopers rush in and arrest the man, not for murder or exhibiting symptoms of complete insanity, for executing the woman without a proper Witch-Trial to prove she had been consorting with Satan.
_The court rules the woman should have been taken to a place of dunking and there tied to a chair and dunked in the water. If no confession was extracted prior to death, than if her body sank to the bottom after death, than she was guilty of consorting with the Devil. If her body floated after death than she was innocent of the charges. But, the court had done her a great favor by speeding her to her final reward in the next life, to the side of the Lord.

Such is the world of christian fundamentalism. How it once was, and could be again, it we all don't watch out.

The average fundamentalist would say, "we wouldn't do that kind of thing if we ran the nation."
No, you would simply have anyone who disagreed with your fundamentalist position fired from their job. Then you would float a memo to all businesses and agencies to not hire that person, thereby putting them out on the street, "that'll show 'em!"
Discouraging anyone else from speaking out.

Thus ends a nation of free speech.
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I recently spoke to a woman who happen to be a tour director. She claimed she was a Democrat. She said she couldn't vote for Kerry because he had gone in front of Congress and said American soldiers had commited war crimes in Vietnam.
I said "war crimes were commited in Vietnam."
She said "I know, it's called the fog of war."
I said "what about Dick Cheney accepting twenty million dollars shortly after becoming Vice-President from a company he had worked for?"
She said "they call that B.R.I.B."
I "so you won't vote for a man who told the truth, but you'll vote for a man whom you deem guilty of accepting bribes, a criminal offence?"

I gather she was mad at John Kerry because he "TOLD", and he wasn't supposed to tell. Americans want that nice warm feeling that everything is peaches 'n cream and cotton candy. Many fundamentalist I have spoken to believe he shouldn't have told something that should have been kept secret (...and the truth shall make you free). This as compared to George w. who is a spoiled brat, but has kept all his skull and bones and dirty business deal secrets and gotten away with anything he wanted to do for years without being corrected, and is now the problem-child of the United States, a nation of people who are still not willing to correct him.
Of course, like any parent-child relationship the problem exists within the parent, that of the United States itself, a nation of people who don't want to believe its Bible thumping, praying President could do anything wrong. It boils down to, as most things do, narcissism. A nation that doesn't want to believe its leaders could do anything wrong, because they don't want to believe that they could have done anything wrong in following a leader who starts a war that didn't need to be started. A war that was ultimately a war of Mass-Distraction designed to keep the publics attention while it, the administration, loots the nations coffers. Looting by any way possible, from no-bid contracts for Haliburton to public tax money being used to help corporations set-up in China. As is typical of a narcissist, many Americans refuse to find any fault in themselves, and as such I expect many, if not most, will vote for the biggest liar on November 2.

George W. Bush seems to have taken up a position as the leader of the white christian fundamentalist. He has, in my opinion, given the winking eye to the white right-wing. There seem to be this subtle under-tow of thought amoung many right-wing caucasians that of, "George is going to return the nation to white people," as if it had ever left.
_It is of course a notion that is a fallacy, a fake, and fraud. Much like that of George Bush being a "cowboy" from Maine. George W. Bush is only interested in the rich, what he can do for them and what they can do for him.

There is, however, what seems to be a strain of fascism running through the Bush administration.

"Communism is when Government controls industry. Fascism is when industry controls Government."--Robert F. Kennedy

"We need no priests. We can communicate direct to God through Adolf Hitler." --Mayor of Hamburg, 1930's

'Hitler's word is God's law, the decrees and laws which represent it possess divine authority.'--A conclave of German Christians, April 1937

"At a mass meeting...thought is eliminated. And because this is the state of mind I require, because it secures to me the best sounding-board for my speeches I order everyone to attend the meetings, where they become part of the mass whether they like it or not, 'intellectuals' and bourgeois as well as workers. I mingle the people. I speak to them only as a mass."--Adolf Hitler

"In all these cases one deals with the problem of influencing the freedom of the human will. And that is true especially of meetings where there are men whose wills are opposed to the speaker and who must be brought around to a new way of thinking. In the morning and during the day it seems that the power of the human will rebels with its strongest energy against any attempt to impose upon it the will or opinion of another. On the other hand, in the evening it easily succumbs to the domination of the stronger will...The mysterious artificial dimness of the Catholic churches also serves this purpose, the burning candles, the incense..."--Mein Kampf

The problem, as I see it, of our nation is the control of our Government by large Corporations, a.k.a. Fascism.
Our nation will never be free until the people are willing to elect leaders who are willing to say to ex-patriot American that have left for foreign lands:
"No, since you have left our shores for another country you will not be allowed to bring your foreign made products back into this country. And if any foreign nation tries to sell your products to the United States as their own rather than that of an ex-patriot former American company, it will have a moratorium of six years placed on it where it will not be allowed to sell any of its products in the United States as punishment."
_The idea of the need for a global is a fallacy. The United States could be self-sustaining, if it wished to be. This would also mean full employment. This would not be what industry wants. But since when do the people of the United States have to bow to the wishes of industry? Does not the Constitution read "we the people?" It does not say "we the Corporation," regardless of what George Bush wants it to say.

I fear this will never happen until the public is reduced to a state of poverty and servitude that is almost thraldom. I see this beginning to happen already with the wearing away of public rights.

Politicians, as you have seen, seem to be selected from a small group of very wealthy secret society members. Some of these members control large corporations, investment houses, banking, main-stream media, etc.

Oddly enough, there are a great number of Christians fundamentalist who believe thraldom, poverty, and a fascist world Government is exactly what the world needs, for it would mean Armageddon would be coming soon and Christ would come beck and snatch them away in the Rapture, and take them to Heaven.

Large world corporations have found a way of playing on these people's religious ideology. A way in which not matter how bad George W. Bush makes things for them, and everyone else, their opinion is that of, "he's just hurrying up the coming of the Lord!"
So no matter how much he screws things up it's seen as "a good thing" and "meant by God." To me it seems to be nothing less than a death wish. But this death wish will affect more than just them. It will affect the rest of us as well, and that is the problem I have with religion. With George W. Bush being a professed believer in this, it becomes a self-fulling prophecy.

It is a case where the world is held hostage by the dogmatic belief of a few.
One will not find a minister teaching his congregation that the Ten Commandments can originally be found in the pharaonic confessions from Spell Number 125 in the Egyptian 'Book of the Dead', or that well known Proverbs were translated from the works of an Egyptian sage called Amenemope, who had copied it from a much older work called 'The Wisdom of Ptah-hotep', or that the Lord's Prayer was from an Egyptian prayer to the State-god, as in 'Amen, Amen, who art in Heaven'...

Knowing the truth of it, most ministers would no relate it to their congregation. So where is truth in religion?

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Subject: Post 141A: Proof of "God"?- no. 1 of a Series.


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Date Posted: 10:24:47 08/29/04 Sun
Post 141A: Proof of "God".1

The existance of God cannot be proven.

Proof that God does not exist can never be found.

If you can prove that God exists, congratulations, you are able to do something no one in history has Ever been able to do.

What if I tell you that I believe the earth and everything on it is a science project of a twelve year old in the 7th grade named Howard Honeysuckle from another galaxy, what do you think of that?

You don't like my idea? I have the same amount of proof that you do of the existance of God, or Howard Honeysuckle. None!

All hail the holy name of Howard! Oh merciful Howard we prase thy holy name!

Our father who art in heaven, Howard be thy name.
You get my point!

You say, 'well, we have this old book that tells us God exists'. Yeah!, Did God write it himself? Oh!, it was "inspired" by God.
Well, I'm writing the first book of Howard, he "inspired" me to write it.

Did God sign your book? Do you have any photos of God, any film footage of God, any evidence at all?

I have film footage that points to the possible existance of extraterrestrials, surely there must be something on God!

Even before the time of Moses, Tuthmosis III mentions the sky being filled "shield" shaped objects.

Say! You don't suppose they're the same, do ya. You don't suppose these people were thinking these beings were "God"?

If it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, why are so many rich, fat, white conservative rightwing men, christians? Where thy wealth is there too is thy soul, and there aint no way around it!

Why would a caring compassionate conservative christian businessman fire American workers and send there jobs to China?
Answer: He isn't caring or compassionate and not much of a christian. He's a lowlife business slug who only thinks of a buck and doesn't care one damn whether your mortgage gets paid or your children get feed.

True christianity has true action to it, not just mouth movement.

My philosophy of God has more of a eastern idea to it. In the east they believe that the life force of all the living
things creates God. I tend to think of all creation AS God. This compaired to the rightwing conservitave idea that all of creation was made for them to poison, pollute and destroy at will.
They tend to have a lottery gamblers attitude, that of "there is no reason to save the earth because we're going to be caught away in the sky during the rapture" leaving everyone else with the crap they've created. Just like the lotto gambler believes there's no reason to save for tomorrow because any day now he's going to hit the Big One.

I'll leave you with some food for thought, God is said to be the only thing that is indestructible, the human soul is said to be indestructible. It shouldn't be too hard to do the math.
It's something I've been trying to teach my young friend, T. Cross. (He's not the person I've had trouble with.)
You are the divine in your innermost self, try to act like it.

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Subject: Post 134 A.: Secret Societies & The Bush Dynasty


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Date Posted: 12:08:31 02/28/04 Sat
Post 134A. www.voy.com/40560/

George W. Bush was, is, a member of Yales 'Skull & Bones'.
George H.W. Bush was, is, a member of Yales 'Skull & Bones'.

According to; www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbonesintro.html, espionage, drug smuggling and secret secieties are the threads of American social history that intertwine at Yale University with Skull & Bones.

On Old Campus at Yale a statue of Nathan Hale,"I regret that I have But one life to give for my country", can be found. It's a copy of the statue that stands out side of the CIA headquarters at Langley, Virginia.

The Chief of operations for Russell & Company was one Warren Delano Jr., grandfather of Franklin Roosevelt. Other partners included, amoung others, Archibald C. Coolidge, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Samuel Russell with Perkins of Boston made a fortune on the 'China Trade'. The China Trade was the exportation from Turkey of OPIUM. And the importation (smuggling) into China of that OPIUM.

www.almartinraw.com/book.html

A cousin of Samuel Russell, William Huntington Russell, while studing in Germany in 1831-32 was introduced to the "scientific method" of human behavior set forth by John Locke and Jean Rosseau, which declared that people from the earliest age should taken over by the state and taught how to think and what to think. This was the foundation of the philosophical roots of both communism and fascism, usually given credit to Georg Wilhelm Frierich Hegel (professor) at the University of Berlin, see (Hegellianism).

Russell returned to Yale and formed the senior society of skull & bones with Alphonso Taft. It's said that skull & bones is a chapter of a corp in a German University. It has also been said that this order is known as "The Brotherhood of Death".

It's interesting to note that one can see the symble of a skull and crossed bones on the cap badge of an SS officers hat.

Info from an early breakin at Yale's skull & bones was said to have noted in lodge-room 322 was furnished in red velvet with a pentagram on the wall.

This is apparently the foundation of our, so-called, christian president. One wonders what it is he truely believes and who or what it is that he truely worships?

The list of bonesmen reads like a list of who's who.
*James Buckley
*Archibald MacLiesh
*Senator David Borden
*Senator John Kerry
*George H.W. Bush
*George W. Bush
*Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser
*Harold Stanley, founder of Morgan Stanley, investment banker
*Senator John Heniz
*Pierre Jay, first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
*Dean Witter, Jr., investment banker
*Amory Howe Bradford, husband of Carol Warburg Rothschild and general manager for the New York Times
*Winston Lord, Chairman of CFR, Ambassador to China and assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration

Having spoken to a few republicans lately, I asked "Don't you think it's a terrible thing that a company like Halliburton, whom the Bush administration presented to us as an American Company, is actually incorporated through the Cayman Islands to avoid paying American taxes"?

I was told, "Heck no, if I could do it and keep from paying taxes I'd do it too".

I asked "Don't you think it's everbodies responsibility to pay their far share, is'nt that how things keep working"?

I was told "Not if you can get out of it"!

A little insight into the republican mind.

I didn't have time to mention everything I would have liked to. But there will be more to come.

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[> Subject: Re: Post 134 A.: Secret Societies & The Bush Dynasty


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Date Posted: 06:01:31 08/06/04 Fri
The most complete coverage on Bush family corruption is at:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/bushwar/

Three generations of Bushes have started wars because they own weapons and oil companies - the biggest being Halliburton and the Carlyle Group, both controlled offshore from the Cayman Islands.

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Subject: Post 139A. : An answer to a Question-----------------------------------


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Date Posted: 10:03:09 07/26/04 Mon
Post 139A. An answer to a question.
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Randie Kay Harring of Ft. Worth TX. writes, "You cited your genealogy chart as being within the book," (Bloodline of the Holy Grail), "why is the chart missing from the book? What led you to believe your chart would be on those particular numbers? Regards."

Well Randie, to answer your first question, PART of my families genealogy chart is in the book. It is on the chart in the book entitled, 'Descent to the Rulers of Wales and Brittany'.
In the first publication it was found on pages 184 to 186. On the latest publication of 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' it has been moved to pages 342 through 348. It was never removed at all, I just saw that it was not on the pages it had been and thought it had been removed. These pages covers my genealogy from 1 A.D., from James the brother of Jesus, to 790 A.D.,to Argant, the Prince of Brittnay France.

The book, 'The Plantagenet Ancestry', by Lt.-Col. W.H. Turton, will show on page 188 that Prince Argant's son was Judael, Count of Cornouaille, and that his grandchild was Louvenam, and his great granddaughter was Alava who married her third cousin, Diles, Count of Cornouaille, in the same family line. Count Diles and Alava's son is Budic I, Count of Cornouaille.

The book, 'The Norman People', Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., will show on page 361 that Budic, Count of Cornouailles, Brittany France, ca. 900 A.D., had at least two sons, the younger of which was named Periou and gave the name Perier,(which also includes Perrier, Purrier, Puryer, and Puryear) to his descendant family line.

My great grandmother was Mary Ada Puryear. She married Linnville Andrews Dugger, my great grandfather, and produced my grandmother. Mary Ada was the daughter of Solomon Puryear, Solomon can be found in the 1860 cesus of Macon County, North Carolina at the age of 13, the son of Alexander S. Puryear and Mary P. Butler Puryear.

There are other books which show Knight from the family Perere and Perrers coming to England with William the Conqueror in 1066 A.D.

A branch goes from England to the Colonies around 1635.

I hope this answers your question, Randie.

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Subject: Post 137A. Truth: The Great Communi/ Prevaricator Dies


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Date Posted: 10:55:22 06/13/04 Sun
Post 137A.

Ronald Reagan, the great "communicator", has died. His lasting legacy is that he communicated 2,000,000 citizens of the United States out of their jobs.
--He was also the politician responsible for starting the trend that continues to this day, under President Select George W.(NAFTA) Bush, of rich people using the U.S. Congress and the White House to steal money from poor people and telling them "it's a good thing, and good for the country".

In short, he gave billions of dollars collected from U.S. tax paying citizens to rich multinational corporations, giving them the ability to build factories in cheap labor foeign countries. Such as Ford Motors did when it shut its doors in Flint Michigan an moved to Mexcio, putting thousands of workers out of a job, not to mention secondary service jobs that depended on the income of those workers.

Ronald Reagan didn't understand much about politics. But what he did understand early on was that the Republicans had all the money and if he wanted some of it he had to change parties and become a Republican.

Unfortunately in todays world most people think NAFTA was Bill Clinton's idea because he signed the thing and the Republicans in Congress, and a few Dumocrats, voted it in.
--Most people forget that NAFTA was George Herbert Walker Bush's baby back in 1992 (http://support.lexis-nexis.com/lawschool/record.asp?ArticleID=sample_searches_nafta).

George H.W. just couldn't get it pushed through Congress. That's where the need for a Democrate stalkinghorse (Bill Clinton) came in.

The United States has always been a problem for the wealthiest 1%. On one hand it's the greatest economic market in the world in one country. But a combined Europe has at least as great a market, and China, when its economy get going, will have a greater market.
--The buying power of the U.S. citizenry has always been weighed against the demands of, what the 1% consider to be, the excessively free and well armed U.S. populace.

What happens when you remove the great buying power, via NAFTA, of the U.S.A.?
You remove the need for the richest 1% to keep them around!

Let's get something stright right off the bat. The CIA is not an entity that responds to the needs of John Q. Public average American. The CIA is an entity that responds the the needs, wants, and wishes of the largest corporate entities.

It's been said Prescott Bush had three business seized by the U.S. government during WWII for "doing business with the Enemy. It's also been said that Prescott Bush was a "good friend" of Himler, head of the Nazi SS. Some have said that after the end of WWII when the U.S. was setting the CIA, it went to Prescott Bush to locate Nazi SS intelligence officers to train the new bureau of spies.
--I think it was Prescott Bush, but it could have been George Herbert Walker. I can't find my notes, so I'm writting it from memory.

How do you eliminate a people?
First you take their rights away under the law. You start with something small, something that anyone would understand, given the right circumstances, something relating to "terrorism", something like Patriot Act I & II.

Al-Qeada was a CIA invention, or should I say, creation.

From the Movie 'Bowling for Columbine':

"1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran.
U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954:U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Deim.
1963-1974: American military kills 4,000,000 people in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile.
Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende assassinated.
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5,000 chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military ruler of El Salvador.
70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorist to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them 3,000,000,000 (3 Billon) dollars.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "Contras."
30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama), disobeys orders from Washington.

U.S. Invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. enters Iraq.
George H.W. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. 8 dead.
Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from U.S. bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245,000,000 in aid.

September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people."

In case you haven't noticed, it's all about money and power, and the people of the U.S. don't have a say in it.

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