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Date Posted: 19:52:00 03/30/07 Fri
Author: winyanska
Subject: Re: bein a 'good' Indian....
In reply to: John Ten Charges 's message, "bein a 'good' Indian...." on 14:49:11 03/27/07 Tue

I think you should listen to your "elders" John ten charges knows whats he's talkin about! Great reply MR. Ten Charges!!!






>so let me get this straight.. you are a non native,
>and i am a ripe old Indian who has lived long enough
>to see more than i care to see of the white man's
>arrogance, and you are tellin me to be a 'good'
>Indian? let me make a couple things clear.. i got
>lots of non native friends who are great people.. got
>lots of non native friends who care deeply about
>Indian causes.. got no beef with any of them.. we
>natives have had nearly everything stolen from us, and
>most of it was stolen because we were bein 'good'
>Indians.. i'm sure you mean well, but who really
>cares about changing one dumbass white man? you
>suggest we go to all this effort to get thousands of
>people to write.. and that this native person wait
>and hold that pain inside until this idiot is no
>longer their teacher.. and all that for what? so we
>can hope to change the stupidity of one white man?
>does it not matter to you at all that this native
>person is being subjegated by this supremist white
>bigot? god forbid a native person get pissed off and
>tell a white man off! we native people have sat quiet
>for centuries while idiots like this guy ran their
>mouths.. trust me, sometimes stupidity is just
>stupidity, and it needs to be called what it is
>openly.. if this young native can find the courage to
>speak up, let me tell you, a whole lot will change
>right there on the spot.. first off, the native
>person will feel their self worth.. that alone is
>worth it all.. secondly, anyone who witness will see
>that natives are strong enough, and value themselves
>enough, to speak up when bigots degrade them in front
>of a group.. its called earning respect, and its the
>same damn thing rosa parks did when she refused to
>give up her seat on that bus.. we ndns get aweful
>tired of non natives telling us how we should act..
>i'm sure you are a nice lady dolora.. just try not to
>presume what is best for Indians when you are not one
>yourself..
>
>an old dog soldier
>
>ten charges
>
>
>
>> I think that that is a really bad idea, no matter how
>>much the idiot desrves it. All it will do is make
>>things worse. I have a better idea. What if the school
>>board and the teacher was inundated with thousands of
>>friendly letters from native Americans and tribal
>>councils, saying " I belong to such and such a tribe,
>>and I am still here. My people are still here. We
>>would be happy to introduce to to our culture.
>> Solidarity and peaceful persistence can accomplish
>>much. It is important that it is friendly, otherwise
>>it would be interpreted as harassment, and that would
>>make things worse. I wouldn't leave white or black
>>folks out of it either. I bet that you could get a
>>sizable number of white and black folks to write a
>>similar letter,
>> " I know members of such and such Native American
>>Tribe, and they are still here. I am a caucasion who
>>appreciates their culture. I know Native Americans who
>>would be happy to introduce you to their culture."
>>The mistake would be to react in a violent way or
>>write off non Native Americans who do care. I will
>>tell you a true story. When I was in the sixth grade,
>>our teacher was reading to us out of a history book
>>about Manifest Destiny, the conquest of the West. She
>>then snapped the book shut, and said, " and now I will
>>tell you the real story of how the west was won." and
>>she proceded to tell us of the massacres, the forced
>>integration, and the treachery visited on Native
>>Americans. She told us about Sitting Bull, Crazy
>>Horse, Red Cloud, Black Elk, and the Battle at wounded
>>Knee. She told us about the Cherokee Nation. She also
>>told us about good white folks too, those who tried to
>>fight the system and make a difference, and great
>>freindships between the races despite what was
>>happening. She told us this at great expense, and
>>risked her job to do so, as this was in the early
>>sixties, when it could be almost construed as a crime
>>to say these things, and for a moment, she got some of
>>us to understand what it felt like to be on the other
>>side. This great lady did not have one drop of Native
>>American blood. She was not a wannabe. She was simply
>>a compassionate woman who felt it was her moral
>>obligation to teach the truth. You must remember, that
>>for every ignorant bigot, there is a hero too, and it
>>is important not to forget this and mistakenly judge
>>many by the actions of a few. Even the clasroom that
>>laughed. I bet that not all of them laughed. When
>>people are being that nasty, it is easy to focus on
>>them and let it color everything. Don't overlook the
>>good guys because of the bad guys. The good guys can
>>help.
>> My sixth grade teacher was severly reprimanded and
>>almost lost her job, but she earned the respect of
>>many people.
>> As for the other teacher who made the unfortunate
>>remark about Native Americans, if this is true, he
>>deserves to be severly reprimanded. I suggest that you
>>wait until he is no longer your teacher, then write a
>>letter to the principal, and the school board, Was
>>this a highschool or college teacher? Is anyone
>>willing to be a witness once he is no longer their
>>teacher? If you get no response, write again, until
>>you get a response. If that doesn't work, maybe being
>>inundated by thousands of letters will make the point.
>>Hindsight is always wiser than forethought. It takes
>>great courage to face one's enemy with dignity and
>>truth. I'll bet that my sixth grade teacher won more
>>understandng for Native Americans with her dignified
>>truth than all the raging wannabes put together.
>> These are just ideas. In any case it is always wise
>>to consult an attorney and older people with
>>experience and balanced attitudes before taking any
>>action.
>>Dolora Zajick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>hey young blood,
>>>get me the e-mail for this dumbass.. i eat white men
>>>like this for breakfast.. you need to tell this
>moron
>>>that he is a moron.. don't hold back.. these loud
>>>mouth arrogant wasicus need to hear how stupid they
>>>are.. then once you get his brain dead attention,
>you
>>>can tell him there are nearly 5 million Indians in
>the
>>>ol USA today, and millions more in canada and mexico
>>>who would love to slap a dumb ass white man like him
>>>around a bit.. then you need to tell him to take his
>>>head out of his ass and learn a little history before
>>>he goes around acting like he can teach it.. my
>>>experience is that these brainless idiots never
>learn,
>>>so it is best to just blast them real good in front
>of
>>>everyone so you feel better, alright?
>>>
>>>get me this dumbass's e-mail if you can..
>>>
>>>an old dog soldier,
>>>ten charges
>>>
>>>
>>>

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