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Date Posted: 22:34:27 04/01/17 Sat
Author: Knut Holt
Subject: INTERETING POLLS ABOUT INTRUSIVE MANDATORY MEDICAL PROCEDURES ON CHILDREN AND TEENS

Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood

Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524

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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807

All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.

Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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Boy, 14yo, North America, appendix unexpectedly taken out at the same time as from his brother, but most probably for tissue harvesting

I am male. It happened when I was an early teen, 14yo, in North America, in 2010 or later. I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. It was after my identical twin brother had his appendix removed. The procedure happened in a hospital.

The doctor came out to talk to us and tell us how it went he was a little bit concerned because my brothers appendix didn't look to bad so he asked me if i would mind having mine taken out as well so they could compare them. They thought I may have had appendicitis as well as my brother I came in the car with my parents and my brother. my brother and I were both 14 at the time and it happened in august before we started High School.

PREPARATIONS AND ANESTHESIA

I was given sedative medicines through my mouth. I was given medication intravenously. They gave me gas through a mask.
They took me to get changed into a hospital gown and surgery cap as soon as I said I would have the procedure and my parents signed the consent form.

After that I was weighed, measured and had my blood pressure taken and they took some blood before taking me to the or. Once there I lay on the table and they put a mask on me and an IV in my arm.

ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM

I had some IV for antibiotic pain meds and some for my diabetes too. I woke up with a mask on as did my brother who was awake when I woke up. I had catheter, they kept them in both of us for ad with only a bag attached to them, I had heart monitor. They checked me to see how I was and how much pain I was in

SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS

I think I did wake up for a little bit when they were taking my appendix out. I heard them ask for some suction and then the anesthesiologist looked over to me and said: "man I sorry", as he gave me something to put me back under. Afterwards he apologised to me and said he had accidentally adjusted the machine too much and I woke up unexpectedly

I had pain irritation or other problems in my mouth and in my respiratory tract or lungs. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my urethra or bladder and also in my colon or lower stomach.

I had a small incision above my belly button and a bigger one on my right side. yeah they told me they started it laparoscopically and and had to open me because my appendix had ruptured. My brothers was still in tact when they took it out apparently.

No, but I do remember feeling my brother go under the anastasia (Difficult to understand).
The nurses sometimes had trouble telling us a part well we were in the hospital so they gave us different scrub tops to wear.

I had blue and my brother had green. When we left they let us keep them and gave us matching paint we wear them as pajamas most of the time now.

COMMENTS

It seems strange that the boy had ruptured appenix whithout having any symptoms. They probably took out his appendix, but most probably because they wanted the tissue for some purpose. It seems that thy took out more than just the appendix, and that was the reason for the bigger incision.

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A FEW OF THE REPORTS RECEIVED AND ANALYZED FROM THE POLL ABOUT UNEXPECTED EXAMS

Girl, 10yo, bussed in group from boarding school for extensive inner exams

I am female. It happened in Western Europe, 2015 or later, 10 years old. The exam was announced as a necessary school examination for all kids.

We went there in a bus in group from our school to a special establishment used for these type of exams. All children in my school of the age group haf it.

PREPARATIONS FOR THE EXAM:
They washed my body before the exam.I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got IVs, tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a leg.

I got electrodes on my cheast, my stomach or hip region and my head. I got a tube or wire in through my urethra.I got a tube or sond in through my anus. The anesthesia only took away pain.

EXAMINATIONS WITH EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE MY BODY:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas.

They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work, like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.

They examined me with an ultrasound device or something on my head or neck, my upper body, my stomach area, my shoulder area, my hip area and my legs.

They took x-ray pictures of my chest, stomach, shoulder area, hip area and my limbs.

They used electrodes to record the functions at my head, chest, belly and limbs.

They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

EXAMINATIONS WITH INSTRUMENTS INSERTED INTO MY BODY:
They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube.

They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from my urethra and bladder with a tube.

They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope.

They inspected my anus with a speculum. They took specimens from my anus with a tube. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.

They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.

The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.

They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope. They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.

ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM:
I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I had a tube going in through my nose or down into my stomach. I had a tube through a opening in my belly.

I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I just lay naked on the exam chair. We drove back with the bus.

THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED:
I attended public boarding school.

COMMENTS
The girl went through the exam recently and she is hardly older than 12 years old by now. It is possible that this report was made by her parents or somebody working at the school or had some connection with the ordeals.

The ordeal follow a standard procedure reported from several parts of the world, and seem to be parts of an international program. These ordeals have a long history, but has been gradualy modernized and made more comprehensive as the technological development has made it possible.

What differ most in these ordeals is the type and degree of anesthesia used. Often general anesthesia is used, but it is fully possible to do them only with some sedating medication plus local anesthesia without causing any pain. It seems that this is prefered at some places to avoid risks and to save time and expenses.

The program seems to be performed around the world on children in certain selected communities and schools and very often boarding schools.

Based on the report it seems that the children lay recovering at the exam table after the exam, forst with full intensive care wquipment, and then just naked, probably under a blanket.

The tubes she had after the main exam, were partly to help her body functions after the main procedure, but also partly to collect specimens of body secretions during some time.
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Boy, 10yo, NA, Extensive tests and inspections in all body areas

I am male. It happened in North America. Before 1970. 10 years old. We were told that we were going to be examined that day and we were told to lineup outside the office where the examination was going to take place. I was so scared. In an ambulance or special car from school. At the regular nurses or medical room at the school.

Preparations
All children of the age group in your community. The doctor and the nurse pulled down my jeans and my shorts and a doctor grab my testicles and fondled them and then stuck his finger up my ass as far as he could and he wiggled it around. God help me.

I got laxatives to clean out my stomach at the place where the exam took place. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to take all my clothes off just before I got anesthesia.

I got IVs, tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I did not get any anesthesia. Hey grab me and put me down on the operating table and they put a mask over my face and they tripped ether into the mask.

External procedures:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work, like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.

They examined my head or neck with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my upper body with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my stomach area with and ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my shoulder area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined arms and legs with an ultrasound device or something similar.

They took chest x-ray pictures. They took stomach x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of my shoulder area. They took x-ray pictures of my hip area. They took x-ray pictures of my limbs. They used electrodes to record functions inside my head. They used electrodes at my chest to record body functions. They used electrodes at my belly to record body functions. They ued electrodes at my limbs to record body functions.

They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area. They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube. They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope.

They took specimens from my bladder with a tube. They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope. They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe.

They inspected my anus with a speculum.","They took specimens from my anus with a tube.","They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope.","They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope.","They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.","","They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.","The doctor explored my vagina with a finger.","The doctor explored my anus
with a finger.","They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope.","They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.","

They stuck a tube up my urethra and gave me a cystoscopy. It didn't hurt except for the first 13 inches!"," They took the tube many feet long it was black and they stuck it up my anus is far as it could go and that was pretty for it you're going and going and going and going.

They held me inconscious for some hours","I had breathing tube. They gave me mechanical ventilation through the breathing tube. I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I had a tube hoing in through my nose or down into my stomach. I had a tube through a opening in my belly. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam.

I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. I had a hospital payama on after the exam. I had my underwear on after the exam. I gave them a very bad time and I said some naughty words and they spank the shit out of me it still hurts to this very day boy. They kept me overnight on your observation is that there.

I went to a ballet school or school as the main school. It was a parochial school with Nuns! Google real bitches! I had to wear a blue button-down oxford shirts with a tie a blazer dress pants and dress shoes the girls had to wear a blue button-down oxford shirts with ties skirts shoes and high kneesocks."

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Age 11yo

Boy 11yo, NA, North America, Called in for internal inspections in the 1960es

I am male. It happened in North America. Before 1970. 11 year old. Parents said I had a doctors appointment, no more explanation. My parents drove me to the exam at a health center.

All children with some kind of health problem seemed to be called in.

Preparations before the exam:
I was not allowed to eat ome time before the exam. I got laxatives at home to clean out my stomach the day before the exam. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was given a gown but was naked under the gown in the time I stayed awake.

They placed me upon a simple examination table. I got IV tube into blood vessels, in a leg. I got a blood pressure monitor wrappep around an arm or leg. I got electrodes on my cheast. I got anesthesia through a tube into my anus that had effect on my whole body. I got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into my urinary opening. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious.

Exam with outer equipment:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They took stomach x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of my hip area.

Internal inspections:
They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.

Arrangements after the exam:
I had catheter into my bladder. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. I stayed overnight in a clinic ward until the catheter was removed.

The school I intended:
I attended ordinary daytime school.

COMMENTS:

These kind of ordeals, where greater groups of children are called in for invasive exams taking a whole day or more, have a longt history, of which this is an example. The procedure seems to have been the same all the time, only that the equipment have got steadily more modern, and internal inspections made possible with the most modern equipment have been gradually added.

The experiemcer indicated that he got anesthesia through the anus. This is a method used sometimes. But in this case the anesthesia was most probably adminitered though the IV and contrast fluid for the stomach x-ray administered through the anus.

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Boy, 11yo, NA, North America - exam at boarding school

I am male. It happened in North America in 1970-1979. I was 11 year old. My parents drove me to the exam.

It happened at the regular nurses or medical room at the school. A selected percentage of the children in my school of the age group had the ezam.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. They washed my body before the exam. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. They placed me upon a simple examination table. I was placed to lay on my back with steight legs and to lay on my stomach with my legs flexed down and spread.

I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious.

The procedures:
They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. They took chest x-ray pictures. They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope","They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They inspected my anus with a speculum.

Ordeals after the procedure:
I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

The type of school I attended:
I attended private boarding school.

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Girl, 11 yo, WE, external and internal tests at a Montessori School

I am female. It happened in Western Europe, 2010-2014, 11 year old. My parents drove me to the exam. It happened At a room in the school that was preliminary prepared for the event. It happened to a selected percentage of the children in my school of the age group.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a toe. I got electrodes on my cheast. I got something to swallow for anesthesia.

External examinationa:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. They examined my hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device.

Internal inspections:
They used a speculum in my vagina. They inspected my vagina with a scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored my vagina with a finger.

Arrangements afterwards:
I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

Type of school:
I went to a Montessori school.

COMMENTS:

It seems to be common to let children at Montessori schools go through an extended physical like this. Probably all children at this school went through this type of exam, but at somewhat different ages depending on the development status.

It is also probable that the children at the school had a similar exam under anesthesia at the age of 6-7.

At Montessori schools one tries to treat children individually, but in order to do so, one seems to perform rather extensive psychological and physical exams at various ages. Since one can read very much about the development status of a kid from findings in the pelvic zone, this sone seems to be the most extensively assessed at these schools.

It is also possible that the school let some research project used the kids for their purpose, and that the school got financial support for letting the kids be used.

The thing reported as exam with a scope through the vagina was most probably an inspection of the bladder through the urethra, since it can be useful to detect some common bladder problems in children.

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