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Date Posted: 16:14 11/04/24 Thu
Author: sam-e
Author Host/IP: 111-220-120-138.sta.wbroadband.net.au / 111.220.120.138
Subject: water into grappa though ..
In reply to: Pyeman WPBD 's message, "Show me the recruiting manager where the hits just keep on coming, every team has a mixed bag" on 23:25 10/04/24 Wed

Collingwood recruiting history of talls since 2001

_Tall = anyone recruited at or > 192 cms
_HIT ie. success = anyone who played 50 games or more at COLL once drafted or traded in (or went on to play > 50 games elsewhere). The definition of a HIT is arguably set at reasonably LOW bar of circa 2 seasons of AFL.
_+HIT ie. real success = anyone who played 100 games or more at COLL once drafted or traded in (or went on to play > 100 games elsewhere).

Observations:
_213 players (total) brought in to the club 2001-23
_Of those, 67 (31%) have been TALL (192cm or >)
_Of the 67, 58 recruited 2001-19 and 9 recruited since 2020 (for latter cohort, too early to determine HIT or FAIL)
_Of the 67 TALLS, 19 (28%) have been National Draft (ND) selections; 36 (54%) rookie /int'l rooks /MSD /SSP etc; and 12 (18%) traded in (trade/UFA)
_Of the 19 Tall ND selections, 12 came before 2008
_In last 10-yrs, only 5 Talls came from ND selections, with 2 of those Father-Sons (Moore, Kelly)
_Of the 58 TALLS (up to 2019), 19 (33%) have been HITS (ie. played >50 games)
Of the 58 TALLS, (up to 2019), 14 (24%) have been +HITS (ie. played >100 games)
_Of the 14 TALL +HITS (ie. played >100 games), 8 (71%) were ND selections (Reid, Brown, Grundy, Moore, Witts, Goldsack, Dawes, Cloke); 2 were traded in (J.Ceglar, D.Cameron ..only played 74 games but i'm projecting 100+) and 4 were rookies (Miho, Cox, Keeffe, Maxwell)

Ttl Games /Coll games HIT/ FAIL age hght wght origin club goals votes awards

>>2001
>>11 players in; 5 talls (2 ND); 0 HITS

_National Draft pick 27 Tom Davidson 1 FAIL 18yr 192cm 87kg Geelong U18
0
0
_National Draft pick 72 Tristen Walker 28 FAIL 17yr 195cm 100kg Claremont
8
0
_Pre-Season Draft pick 4 Scott Cummings 5 FAIL 27yr 194cm 105kg Swan Districts
6
0
_Rookie James Podsiadly 104 (0) FAIL 20yr 193cm 100kg Geelong (VFL)
195
23
Prem '11
_Rookie Justin Crow 1 FAIL 18yr 196cm 92kg Oakleigh U18 0
0

>>2002
>>12 players in; 2 talls (1 ND as F/S); 1 HIT (Rooks)

_National Draft (F/S) Cameron Cloke 58 (21) FAIL 17yr 196cm 100kg Eastern U18
36
1
_Rookie Draft p Nick Maxwell 208 HIT 19yr 193cm 93kg St Joseph's College/
29
3
AA: 2009; Prem: 2010

>>2003
>>8 players in; 3 talls (2 ND); 0 HITS

_National Draft pick 17 Billy Morrison 0 FAIL 17yr 192cm 98kg North Hobart
0
0
_National Draft pick 35 Brent Hall 1 FAIL 17yr 198cm 97kg South Fremantle 0
0
_Rookie David Fanning 14 FAIL 19yr 204cm 97kg Aberfeldie
4
0

>>2004
>>8 players in; 1 tall (1 ND as F/S); 1 HIT (ND F/S)

_National Draft (F/S) Travis Cloke 256 (246) HIT 17yr 196cm 108kg Eastern U18 452
48
AA: 2011, 2013; B&F: 2007; Prem: 2010

>>2005
>>9 players in; 1 tall (1 ND); 0 HITS

_National Draft pick 37 John Anthony 51 (43) FAIL 17yr 192cm 94kg Northern U18
83
1

>>2006
>>10 players in; 5 talls (4 ND); 4 HITS (all ND)

_National Draft pick 8 Ben Reid 152 HIT 17yr 195cm 102kg Murray U18 73
9
AA: 2011; Prem: 2010
_National Draft pick 10 Nathan Brown 183 (130) HIT 17yr 195cm 101kg Ballarat FC/St Patrick's College/North Ballarat U18
7
0
Prem: 2010
_National Draft pick 28 Chris Dawes 121 (71) HIT 18yr 193cm 105kg105kg Sandringham U18 130
3
Prem: 2010
_National Draft pick 63 Tyson Goldsack 165 HIT 19yr 193cm 92kg Pakenham/Gippsland U18
50
0
Prem: 2010
_Pre-Season Draft pick 8 Chris Bryan 30 FAIL 24yr 197cm 99kg U18/Sandringham 10
1

>>2007
>>6 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 0 HITS

_Trade Cameron Wood 72 (48) FAIL 20yr 204cm 105kg Goodwood/Glenunga HS/West Adelaide
28
0
_National Draft pick 47 Tobias Thoolen 0 FAIL 17yr 196cm 95kg Bendigo U18
0
0
_Rookie Luke Casey-Leigh 0 FAIL 18yr 196cm 88kg Sandringham U18
0
0

>>2008
>>11 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 2 HITS (1 trade /1 rooks)

_Trade Leigh Brown 65 HIT 26yr 194cm 104kg Gippsland U18 54
1
_Rookie Lachlan Keeffe 111 (40) HIT 18yr 204cm 102kg Marist College Ashgrove/Old Trinity
18
0
_Rookie Scott Reed 0 FAIL 18yr 192cm 85kg NSW-ACT U18 0
0

>>2009
>>8 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade)

_Trade Darren Jolly 71 HIT 27yr 200cm 108kg North Ballarat 52
8
Prem: 2010
_Rookie Jack Carter 0 FAIL 17yr 194cm 88kg West Adelaide 0
0
_Intl Rookie Shae McNamara 0 FAIL 24yr 204cm 104kg USA
0
0

>>2010
>>14 players in; 6 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade)

_Trade Jonathon Ceglar 110 (0) HIT 19yr 204cm 94kg Wodonga Raiders/Murray U18
43
4
_Rookie Tom Young 28 (9) FAIL 18yr 192cm 90kg 5
0
_Rookie Thomas Gordon 0 FAIL 18yr 194cm 90kg NSW-ACT U18
0
0
_Rookie Declan Reilly 0 FAIL 17yr 193cm 85kg Sandringham U18
0
0
_Rookie Jack Perham 0 FAIL 20yr 192cm 86kg East Fremantle
0
0

>>2011
>>10 players in; 3 talls (2 ND); 1 HIT (ND)

_National Draft pick 65 Corey Gault 6 FAIL 18yr 198cm 94kg Swan Districts 4
0
_National Draft pick 67 Jarrod Witts 165 (40) HIT 19yr 208cm 113kg NSW-ACT U18
33
10
B&F: 2019; AA40: 2022
_Rookie Michael Hartley 49 (0) FAIL 18yr 199cm 100kg NSW-ACT U18
2
0

>>2012
>>13 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 2 HITS (1 ND, 1 Rooks)

_Un Free Agent Quinten Lynch 18 FAIL 29yr 192cm 103kg Gibson/Aquinas College (WA)/West Perth
9
0
_National Draft pick 18 Brodie Grundy 194 (177) HIT 18yr 202cm 101kg Unley/Cabra Dominican/Sturt
70
65
AA: 2018, 2019; B&F: 2018, 2019
_Rookie Jack Frost 56 (54) HIT 20yr 194cm 89kg Williamstown 0
1
_Rookie Ben Hudson 7 FAIL 33yr 199cm 106KG Werribee 1
0
_Rookie Ben Richmond 0 FAIL 19yr 196cm 97kg Basketball
0
0

>>2013
>>8 players in; 2 talls (1 ND); 1 HIT (trade)

_Trade Jesse White 56 HIT 25yr 196cm 102kg Southport 75
0
_National Draft pick 77 Jonathon Marsh 26 (15) FAIL 17yr 193cm 87kg Augusta Margaret River/East Fremantle
3
0

>>2014
>>10 players in; 2 talls (1 ND as F/S); 2 HITS (1 ND, 1 rooks)

_National Draft (FS) Darcy Moore 150 HIT 18yr 199cm 93kg OAKLEIGH U18
67
12
AA: 2020, 2023; Prem: 2023
_Intl Rookie Mason Cox 113 HIT 23yr 211cm 110kg USA 117
8
Prem: 2023

>>2015
>>10 players in; 1 tall (0 ND); 0 HITS

_Rookie Darrean Wyatt 0 FAIL 22yr 203cm 98kg Basketball
0
0

>>2016
>>12 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 0 HITS

_Trade Lynden Dunn 33 FAIL 29yr 192cm 98kg Moonee Valley/Calder U18
2
0
_National Draft pick 30 Sam McLarty 0 FAIL 18yr 193cm 93kg Yarra Valley Grammar/Beverley Hills/Oakleigh U18
0
0
_Rookie Mitch McCarthy 0 FAIL 18yr 196cm 87kg Langwarrin/Mount Eliza/Frankston HS/Basketball/Dandenong U18
0
0
_Rookie Henry Schade 8 FAIL 22yr 196cm 86kg Sandy Bay/North Hobart/Tasmania U18
1
0
_Rookie Max Lynch 11 (3) FAIL 18yr 200cm 96kg Murray U18 4
0

>>2017
>>7 players in; 2 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (rooks)

_Unregistered Player Selection Jack Madgen 49 FAIL 24yr 196cm 95kg Basketball
2
0
Rookie Brody Mihocek 126 HIT 24yr 192cm 97kg Port Melbourne
212
17
Prem: 2023

>>2018
>>9 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 1 HIT (trade)

_Trade Jordan Roughead 63 HIT 27yr 200cm 101kg North Ballarat
1
0
_Unregistered Player Selection Tom Wilson 8 FAIL 21yr 194cm 77kg Basketball 2
0
_National Draft pick 29 Will Kelly 5 FAIL 18yr 196cm 87kg Oakleigh U18 1
0
_Int'l Rookie Mark Keane 10 (5) FAIL 18yr 194cm 96kg County Cork 0
0
_Int'l Rookie Anton Tohill 1 FAIL 18yr 198cm 86kg County Derry 0
0

>>2019
>>4 players in; 1 tall (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade)

_Trade Darcy Cameron 71 HIT 24yr 204cm 101kg North Albany/Hale School/Claremont
51
4
Prem: 2023

>>2020
>>10 players in; 3 talls (1 ND); TBC

_National Draft pick 31 Liam McMahon 0 FAIL 18yr 194cm 80kg Northern U18
0
0
Mid-Season Draft pick 3 Ash Johnson 24 TBC 23yr 193cm 85kg Sturt
36
0
_Mid-Season Draft pick 18 Aiden Begg 3 TBC 17yr 197cm 87kg Eastern U18
0
0

>>2021
>>8 players in; 2 talls (0 ND); TBC

_Trade Nathan Kreuger 7 FAIL 22yr 196cm 86kg South Adelaide
4
0
_Rookie Charlie Dean 0 TBC 20yr 195cm 86kg Williamstown
2
0

>>2022
>>9 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); TBC

_Trade Billy Frampton 16 TBC 25yr 200cm 90kg South Fremantle
16
7
Prem: 2023
_Un. Free Agent Daniel McStay 14 TBC 27yr 196cm 87kg Eastern U18
14
20
_SSP Oscar Steene 0 TBC 19yr 201cm 85kg West Adelaide
0
0

>>2023
>>6 players in; 1 tall (0 ND); TBC

_SSP Josh Eyre 0 TBC 20yr 197cm 85kg Calder U18 0
0

>>>Ttl players 'in' Ttl TALLS 'in' ND Talls HITS >50 Source of 'HITS'

Summary numbers by year:
2001
11 players in; 5 talls (2 ND); 0 HITS 11 5 2 0
2002
12 players in; 2 talls (1 ND as F/S); 1 HIT (Rooks) 12
2
1
1
Rooks
2003
8 players in; 3 talls (2 ND); 0 HITS 8
3
2
0
2004
8 players in; 1 tall (1 ND as F/S); 1 HIT (ND F/S) 8
1
1
1
ND F/S
2005
9 players in; 1 tall (1 ND); 0 HITS 9
1
1
0
2006
10 players in; 5 talls (4 ND); 4 HITS (all ND) 10
5
4
4
4 * ND
2007
6 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 0 HITS 6
3
0
0
2008
11 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 2 HITS (1 trade /1 rooks) 11
3
0
2
1 Trade, 1 rooks
2009
8 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade) 8
3
0
1
Trade
2010
14 players in; 6 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade) 14
6
0
1
Trade
2011
10 players in; 3 talls (2 ND); 1 HIT (ND) 10
3
2
1
ND
2012
13 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 2 HITS (1 ND, 1 Rooks) 13
5
1
2
1 ND, 1 Rooks
2013
8 players in; 2 talls (1 ND); 1 HIT (trade) 8
2
1
1
Trade
2014
10 players in; 2 talls (1 ND as F/S); 2 HITS (1 ND, 1 rooks) 10
2
1
2
1 ND, 1 rooks
2015
10 players in; 1 tall (0 ND); 0 HITS 10
1
0
0
2016
12 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 0 HITS 12
5
1
0
2017
7 players in; 2 talls (0 ND); 1 HIT (rooks) 7
2
0
1
Rooks
2018
9 players in; 5 talls (1 ND); 1 HIT (trade) 9
5
1
1
Trade

2019
4 players in; 1 tall (0 ND); 1 HIT (trade) 4

1
0
1
Trade
Totals '01/'19 180 58 18
19
32%
31%
33%
TBC ie. too early to tell

2020
10 players in; 3 talls (1 ND); TBC 10

3
1

2021
8 players in; 2 talls (0 ND); TBC 8

2
0

2022
9 players in; 3 talls (0 ND); TBC 9

3
0

2023
6 players in; 1 tall (0 ND) 6

1
0
33 9 1
27% 11%
TOTALS 213 67 19
31%
28%

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Replies:

ps: Col, any way tables can be imported in without losing all semblance of formatting? (NT) -- sam-e, 16:16 11/04/24 Thu
- I don't know of a way, mate. Bummer (NT) -- Colin Wisbey, 12:54 16/04/24 Tue
- You could try this. Only takes a minute -- Geek, 13:04 18/04/24 Thu
  - thanks Geekster ,,not sure i follow what ctrl-u does? -- sam-e, 07:31 19/04/24 Fri
    - Response -- Geek, 11:47 19/04/24 Fri
Sammy …thanx , fabulous homework ….names long forgotten :) -- BH, 20:23 11/04/24 Thu
Jesse White - HIT? (NT) -- Wightwood, 12:01 17/04/24 Wed
- sam-e's PC has a dodgy S key (NT) -- Crimson Mask, 22:51 17/04/24 Wed
- Per criteria /definition - reasonably low threshold of 50 games - he just qualifies -- sam-e, 01:27 18/04/24 Thu
I feel sorry for Madgen. Soooo close to being a HIT -- Kobe, 14:20 18/04/24 Thu
- do you know the % of AFL players that actually make it to 50 games and then 100 games? -- sam-e, 17:56 18/04/24 Thu

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