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Date Posted: 10:24 28/10/24 Mon
Author: Two-Bob Man
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 110.144.17.202
Subject: Appreciate the sentiments and comments Joseph - I guess I always try to be somewhat pragmantic
In reply to: Joseph 's message, "Huge respect for Collingwood recruiting team" on 12:43 25/10/24 Fri

There is nothing in what you've written that I inherently disagree with.

However, I also feel that viewpoints expressed by some individuals that sometimes target the club for criticism can also be true...they just offer a varying point of opinion based on options and alternatives that could be equally as valid.

For mine, the decision-making process around our list (for example) is one which is subject to so much variability based on a range of factors that may - or may not - happen due to circumstance.

For example, while we applaud the fact that the club was able to snare the like of Houston away from two clubs who - potentially - had more to offer was subject to some modicum of "circumstantial luck".

For example, if John Noble hadn't wanted to be traded (specifically) to Gold Coast, and had Gold Coast not needed to value "draft points" ahead of draft picks (due to their Academy), we would likely not have had anywhere near the currency to grab Houston.

Also, had Carlton decided not to hit the VERY pointy end of the draft by forgoing picks 12 and 14 to snare pick 3, we may have had a battle on our hands to prise Houston.

And this is not even beginning to factor in the chain of events that changed Houston's mind on Melbourne as a destination, and his reluctance to go to the Kangaroos.

Yes...it was excellent manouvering, but manouvering that did have something to do with factors that were outside of the club's control as well.

But this is why I'm also somewhat pragmatic on the "mistakes" made by the club as well, as I'm sure that all of the decision-making was born out of some level of "predictive" analysis of probability and cause-effect.

We do look back on decisions and, often, the benefit of time and hinsight allows us to validate our views on "performance" because we have had the benfit of historical outcomes to "justify" our standpoint.

Trading away high round picks is always a topic of criticism for Collingwood, in the light of the Treloar, Beams and even Schultz outcomes (although the latter has people prepared to "wait and see").

But this sentiment even goes back as far as the "Steve McKee" days (1999) when we traded out pick 3 and King for McKee and pick 7. Still a great pick, but we ultimately used this on Danny Roach.

As others have put (correctly, in my opinion): every club will look back and have its own take on what was "successful" and what was not.

Even the strategy taken in 2020 (Henry, Macrae, McInnes, etc) might be looked upon at present as having been a poor outcome...but given the draft profiles at the time, how were you expected to have known, given that it was also a very-much compromised situation for ALL clubs due to the pandemic).

Henry is a senior AFL player (though who expects players to demand leaving after a season or so). But we are left wondering whether Macrae and McInnes are going to end up being solid pick ups for us....

The trading out of first round picks for Beams was perhaps problemmatic, yet the 2018 "cost" was somewhat mitigated because we did have Quaynor listed as an Academy prospect who was bid on at pick 13 (which we matched). If we had have kept our first round pick that year (#18) it would have been used on Quaynor anyway (something overlooked by many when speaking of the Dayne Beams acquisition). It did put us back the following season however, where we would have had pick 18 again.

But again, as for the situation where one wouldn't have expected Ollie Henry to want to walk away from the club, one wouldn't have anticipated that Beams would succumb to the pressures of footy after the two years he had come off with Brisbane.

So I think that we just need to sometimes expect that the decisions made merely "live in the moment" and that a whole myriad of factors play a part.

TBM

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