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Date Posted: 06:34:22 11/26/01 Mon
Author: John
Author Host/IP: HSE-Toronto-ppp182660.sympatico.ca / 64.229.99.185
Subject: Get it together
In reply to: Eliyahu Silver 's message, "Read here why the Jews are right!" on 22:57:48 11/25/01 Sun

First of all, you must realize that this is not a forum for scholarly arguement. This is a forum of spiritual application. You are talking to men who are in regular spiritual training working wonders in the Name of Jesus Christ.

And you're going to tell us that oh, He isn't really anybody special.

Excuse me while I put those demons back.

You've posted PLENTY of accusatoins, too much to be worth my time. You can't just dump that and expect me to respond to all of it properly.

If you want that, go to www.jews4jesus.com. I'm sure they'll be able to communicate more to your Jewish perspective.

I will answer the most critical accusations you have made, however:

1. Regarding Christ not being a conqueror:

Revelation 19:11-16
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. "

2. Regarding the promise that Jesus made that the generatoin would not pass away until the kingdom came: this LAST generation is the whole Christian church, the BODY OF CHRIST (which is the 14th generation in the final geneology of Matthew). This is an advanced subject.

3. Regarding that Christ deserves to be put to death: now you PERSONALLY condemn Christ to death? Oh no; huge mistake.

And you have 1 God all right, but He also has a son, and a Spirit:

Proverbs 1:23: "Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."
Isaiah 44:3 "For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:"
Numbers 11:25 "And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease."
Psalm 2:11-12:
"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

So you are telling me that the Son of God isn't God, but is somebody else, not worthy of worship even though the Father has declared him King of Kings and Lord of Lords? And the Spirit of God isn't God, too? He's somebody else?

That's all for now; I much prefer spiritual questions like I said.

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Re: Get it together -- Socrates13, 17:30:39 11/27/01 Tue
- Yes; definitely. (NT) -- John, 00:38:18 11/28/01 Wed