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Author: lol Author Host/IP: 63.18.38.80 |
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Date Posted: 16:26:39 05/09/06 Tue >>>>>>Congratulations Jewels! >>>>>> >>>>>>Excellent. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks Mallard! >>>>> >>>>>The credit goes to Iron Mike for having the common >>>>>sense and hindsight for creating Hemphill dogs that >>>>>can compete to this very day. >>>>> >>>>>Sillydogman the best you could come up with was >>>"porch >>>>>monkey"? How creative and imaginative are you? You >>>>>were better off just calling me a "nigger". I'm >>going >>>>>to show you how us "porch monkeys" think and how >you >>>>>can never take their word for anything. >>>>> >>>>>I'll use a modern day dog owned by a "porch monkey" >>>>>you might be familar with that made a ripple in the >>>>>dog game. >>>>> >>>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe</a> >d >>i >>>g >>>>r >>>>>ee.php?dog_id=337 >>>>> >>>>>He was instrumental in the breedings that made Tab >a >>>>>ROM. You didn't have to take his word on anything >>the >>>>>dogs TALKED for him. >>>>> >>>>>Now the part I like is "porch monkeys" kind of >think >>>>>alike. Nine months ago I bred Danger to a Tab bred >>>>>female owned by a "porch monkey". Here is the ped >to >>>>>her 1/2 brother who by the way is the 2005 Dog Of >>The >>>>>Year! >>>>> >>>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe</a> >d >>i >>>g >>>>r >>>>>ee.php?dog_id=131879 >>>>> >>>>>Her littermate brother also impressed me, here is >>his >>>>>ped. >>>>> >>>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe</a> >d >>i >>>g >>>>r >>>>>ee.php?dog_id=156075 >>>>> >>>>>The pups are 7 months old now. All rednose and >super >>>>>acting. In about a year they will be able to TALK >>>>>where you don't have to take my word on anything. >>>>> >>>>>Here is another breeding I did with Danger. >>>>> >>>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe</a> >d >>i >>>g >>>>r >>>>>ee.php?dog_id=177114 >>>>> >>>>>The "porch monkey" who owns Pearl was so impressed >>by >>>>>Danger I couldn't get a pup! Those pups are about 4 >>>>>months old now. I don't need to say a word in a >year >>>>>or so they will be able to TALK just fine. >>>>> >>>>>A couple of days ago I received a long awaited >>>>>from a kennel(ran by a "porch monkey") setting up a >>>>>tentative breeding with my female. >>>>> >>>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPe</a> >d >>i >>>g >>>>r >>>>>ee.php?dog_id=89001 >>>>> >>>>>The Gr.Ch. for the planned breeding is probably the >>>>>best Midnight Cowboy dog EVER! J. Abraham("porch >>>>>monkey") owner of Gr.Ch.Queen of Hearts said the >>male >>>>>was the best dog to EVER look through a collar. >>>>> >>>>>Now when it comes to the wins(4-0)off the >>>>>Hemphill/Norrod dogs "porch monkeys" were >reponsible >>>>>in either conditioning, handling or owning every >>dog. >>>>>No homecooking here those dogs won in three >>different >>>>>states with altitudes ranging from sea level to >>8,000 >>>>>feet above sea level. >>>>> >>>>>Sillydogman can you show me one ped on any Hemphill >>>>>based dog that has won in the last 8 months? How >>>about >>>>>in the last 2 years? Show me three peds in the last >>5 >>>>>years. >>>>> >>>>>Sillydogman I thinks it's time you bought a tanning >>>>>pass...LOL! Maybe then your pigment challenged ass >>>can >>>>>get a WIN! >>>> >>>>That Norrod/Hemphill stuff is still just Geronimo >>>>dogs, PERIOD! And btw, your Geronimo dogs arent the >>>>only ones winning. Just some people are more >descrete >>>>than yourself. >>> >>>If you think all Geronimo dogs are created equal or >>>perform the same you need one of two things or maybe >>>both.... 1.) a history lesson or 2.) glasses to read >a >>>pedigree. >>> >>>I don't really have the time to write some long drawn >>>out post. But if YOU had the choice what would you >do? >>>Get dogs from peddlers, non performance dogmen and >>>newbies or from the breeder you has produced more >>>winners, champions, grand champions and ROM OFRN dogs >>>than anyone in history? >>> >>>Do you think that performance dogman's testing, >>>culling and breeding standards would be BETTER? Do >YOU >>>think by linebreeding a Ch. ROM OFRN dog improved the >>>family? Do you think from that breeding which >produced >>>3 winners from a pure Hemphill female was a fluke? >>>When in no time in history no pure Hemphill female >has >>>ever done the same. Then take a pure Hemphill dog and >>>linebreed and inbreed among the crossed females >>>produced a better Hemphill family? >>> >>>I would like someone to show me a ped of Geronimo dog >>>as inbred as Danger do what he has. Danger is >48.4375% >>>Geronimo almost like a direct son. Since there are >>>none show me a Geronimo based dog who has done what >he >>>has. >>> >>>1.) Produce inbred winners. No fresh blood, >>>linebreeding or outcross but the same genetic makeup. >>> >>>2.) Show me a Geronimo based stud you can breed to >>>that has inbred winners on the ground today. >>> >>>3.) Show me a Geronimo based stud that was bred by a >>>performance dogman. >>> >>>4.) This is the one I think is impressive. Show me a >>>Geronimo based stud who can be a replacement dog on >>>short notice, be bred several times before, get the >>>job done in an hour and a half, bring home the $$$ >and >>>live to tell his story. >>> >>>Now as far as other winning Geronimo dogs. Let me >tell >>>you something. When it comes to pitdogs and dogmen >>>there is 2 degrees of sepration. When it comes to >OFRN >>>dogmen there is 1 degree of seperation. There are no >>>secrets or unknown winning OFRN dogs ANYWHERE because >>>word gets out sooner or later! I don't care how >>>secretive you are or think you are people know. >>> >>>Anything else you would like to know about Danger? >One >>>of the best performing and producing Hemphill OFRN >>>dogs! >> >> >>Well, if you were as knowledgable as you think you are >>you would be able to answer your own questions lol. >>Not to say that your Danger dog is not good, because >>im sure he is, but you, nor Norrod, have a total >>lockdown on good OFRN dogs. >> >>I have in my possession an 11xW OFRN (unreported) whos >>last race was won over a CH. in southern NM in 2:43 in >>2002. He comes from a mother to son breeding. The >>mother comes from a tight brother to sister breeding. >>Both grandparents are from brother to sister >>breedings. Hell, 4 generations of his ped are based on >>tight inbreeding, OFRN dogs are known for being able >>to perform coming from tight inbreedings. Said dog is >>going on 10 years old in Sept. >>Throws a consistant 70% ratio of game dogs. 50% of >>those are race quality. And he doesnt have a single >>drop of that Norrod/Hemphill stuff in him. Like I say, >>their are others out there, just some are more >>descrete than yourself. >> >>Your problem is that the only OFRN person that you >>talk to is Norrod lol. He'll make you believe that the >>entire world revolves around him. AND IT DOESNT! I >>once spoke to IM in the late 90s about his >>Norrod/Hemphill stuff, and he said, and I quote, "I >>couldnt give this stuff away to a real dogman". So in >>reguards to your Danger dog, I say cool, good for you. >>As for the Norrod/Hemphill line as a whole, I say >>well, even the sun shines on a dogs azz once in a >>while lol. >> >>Now here are some questions for you: >> >>1. How many Ch.s in the last 10 years has that >>Norrod/Hemphill stuff produced? >> >>2. How many Gr.Ch.s in the last 10 years has that >>Norrod/Hemphill stuff produced? >> >>3. How many straight Norrod/Hemphill dogs in the last >>10 years have made it over the 2 hour mark in stiff >>competition? >> >>For some kennels working other lines, the numbers >>answers to the above answered questions are quite >>high. So in a sence, this entire topic is really not >>even worth discussing lol. >> >>You may have got lucky with the one you have, but as a >>whole, just like every other yard of straight OFRN >>blood, the Norrod/Hemphill stuff falls short in pure >>form of being a high % performance line. >> >>I will tell you just like I have told many others in >>the OFRN lines, the power is in crosses, not pure >>form. Breed to improve the breed, not just one line. >>If everybody was pig headed enough to breed just one >>line and never outcross it, we wouldnt have some of >>the high calibre lines out there today. We wouldnt >>have a Bolio/Tombstone line, or a Redboy/Jocko line >>ect. ect. >>Without crosses, the best producers and performers of >>our generation, and the generations of gone would not >>exist. >> >>Nobody likes a bragger, it is better to be humble. > >>Well, if you were as knowledgable as you think you are >>you would be able to answer your own questions lol. > >*Response > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=108242 > >He answered all the questions I asked in my previous >post. I have yet to see anyone post a Geronimo stud >that has done the same. As far as my knowledge of OFRN >dogs especially Hemphill dogs I have forgot more than >some will EVER know. > >Not to say that your Danger dog is not good, because >>im sure he is, but you, nor Norrod, have a total >>lockdown on good OFRN dogs. > >*Response > >I or Norrod have never stated to having a total >lockdown on good OFRN blood. Norrod's accomplishments >speak for themselves. My dogs and the dogs I bred >considering how they are bred and what they have >accomplished speaks for themselves. > >I have in my possession an 11xW OFRN (unreported) whos >>last race was won over a CH. in southern NM in 2:43 in >>2002. He comes from a mother to son breeding. The >>mother comes from a tight brother to sister breeding. >>Both grandparents are from brother to sister >>breedings. Hell, 4 generations of his ped are based on >>tight inbreeding, OFRN dogs are known for being able >>to perform coming from tight inbreedings. Said dog is >>going on 10 years old in Sept. > >*Response > >That's great you have an unreported 11x winner. I'm >sure how he is bred is crossed out then inbred. >Nothing close to what Danger is genetically. When it >comes to Geronimo dogs he as close as you will find to >getting a dog from Bob Hemphill's yard. The dog is 96% >Hemphill! > >Throws a consistant 70% ratio of game dogs. 50% of >>those are race quality. And he doesnt have a single >>drop of that Norrod/Hemphill stuff in him. Like I say, >>their are others out there, just some are more >>descrete than yourself. > >*Response > >That's great you dog is throwing those %s. Danger has >4 dogs of age to be evaluated. 50% are reported match >winners bred to a female with the same genetic >makeup! Like I said before everyone knows what >everyone is doing there are no secrets. Backyard rolls >and matches might not get talked about but reported >matches do. By the way it's spelled discreet. > >Your problem is that the only OFRN person that you >>talk to is Norrod lol. He'll make you believe that the >>entire world revolves around him. AND IT DOESNT! I >>once spoke to IM in the late 90s about his >>Norrod/Hemphill stuff, and he said, and I quote, "I >>couldnt give this stuff away to a real dogman". > >*Response > >If you think Norrod is the only OFRN person I have >talked to YOU are sadly mistaken. I highly doubt I.M. >nade that statement because all you would have to do >is look at the ped of Ch.Gambler. What he has always >said was "I couldn't give the dogs away because Jake & >Sitze had the market flooded." > >So in >>reguards to your Danger dog, I say cool, good for you. >>As for the Norrod/Hemphill line as a whole, I say >>well, even the sun shines on a dogs azz once in a >>while lol. > >*Response > >I don't need your approval or compliments. The last >time I checked the sun is till out. If you doubt it or >think it's a fluke my email addy works unlike yours. > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=157494 > >Waiting and READY for #3 > ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=157494 > >My favorite and just beat a daughter of Ch.Lefty in >2:46. >To finish the rest of this post I have to put my >sunglasses on...suns shining in my eyes...lol! > >For some kennels working other lines, the numbers >>answers to the above answered questions are quite >>high. So in a sence, this entire topic is really not >>even worth discussing lol. > >*Response > >No SHIT Sherlock. The discussion was OFRN dogs not >other lines or kennels, you brought this up. > >You may have got lucky with the one you have, but as a >>whole, just like every other yard of straight OFRN >>blood, the Norrod/Hemphill stuff falls short in pure >>form of being a high % performance line. > >*Response > >Once again No SHIT Sherlock. This whole thread is >about Danger being at stud and his accomplsihments. >Other lines weren't discussed as a matter of fact >other OFRN lines weren't discussed either. > >I will tell you just like I have told many others in >>the OFRN lines, the power is in crosses, not pure >>form. Breed to improve the breed, not just one line. >>If everybody was pig headed enough to breed just one >>line and never outcross it, we wouldnt have some of >>the high calibre lines out there today. We wouldnt >>have a Bolio/Tombstone line, or a Redboy/Jocko line >>ect. ect. > >*Response > >Save your breathe and your typing, you don't need to >tell me. I see you have a hard time reading and >comprehending. One of my first sentences was Danger >isn't open to OFRN bitches. The only exceptions would >be to a Gibson or Norrod female depending on the >owner. I also said you won't get anything off Danger >unless you have a Rascal(Ch.homer), Midnight Cowboy or >a heavy Eli female. > >Nobody likes a bragger, it is better to be humble. > >*Response > >Ask me if I give a rat's cock what you or anyone likes >or what you think about me? I don't care to be >politically correct or popular. > >Everything I said about Danger was facts. Facts can't >be disputed. > >Danger is one of the best performing and producing >Hemphill Old Family RedNose dogs! Right on! Well good luck to ya. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |