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Author: clayton Author Host/IP: 66.209.208.218 |
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Date Posted: 18:26:59 06/08/06 Thu >My history with Jake Wilder was not as involved as >some others can claim, as he and I lived in different >parts of the country. >The man who taught me dogs had his own pit bull >registry, as well as an associated magazine. Jake was >a contributor to that magazine and therefore had a >close relationship with my teacher. It was from this >relationship, that I had the opportunity to write and >speak with Jake Wilder. I contacted Mr. Wilder, as I >was gathering all the information I could find about >Bert Clouse. Jake knew Mr. Clouse and he was able to >forward some useful information to me. Somehow >though, the OFRN dogs always became the main topic of >conversation and letters. > >As I have written in previous posts, I started with >dogs at an interesting time. >Richard Stratton’s first book had just been out for a >little while and the popularity of pit bulls was >increasing exponentially. >The late 70’s was still riding the wave of “heightened >sporting activity” and there was a lot of action on >the West Coast. > >Stratton’s first book put a heavy emphasis on the >history of the OFRN dogs, so it made sense that most >beginners would gravitate to that strain. I always >liked those beautiful red dogs but worked with other >lines during that time. > >Nevertheless, I do remember following the current OFRN >breedings of that era. >Being associated with my teacher opened quite a few >doors and I was able to be present at various sporting >events. I saw first-hand what the OFRN dogs of the >late 70’s and 80’s were made of, as some of the newer >fanciers were trying them out. > >Jake was a very pleasant person to speak with and was >very personable. >Even over the phone you could detect certain innocence >and he had a special country charm. He seemed to >enjoy company and conversation. > >Old Jake is not with us anymore and some of what I >know is not flattering about the man; however, when >adding information to a subject it is best to relate >the truth. > >Per the letters that I have openly shared and made >public, Jake owned pit bulls since the age of 14, >which gave him 50 years of experience by the early >60’s. He was well liked by quite a few famous >dog-men, who allowed Jake access to some very notable >dogs (i.e. Geronimo/Red Dixie). > >When I look at the history of Jake’s breedings, I see >a direct correlation between his results, and the >following >• His influence with associates, >• His economic condition >• His age >• His breeding methods, > > >As I followed what Jake did, I had an appreciation for >what he was trying to accomplish early on. The >following is not meant to be all inclusive, rather it >is intended to give a point of reference to >time-lines. I really liked these early breedings. > >Wilder’s Spice/Wilder’s Cindy ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=26912 >Here you can see where Jake brought Nugget and Spice >together. This female was brought to old Geronimo >himself, along with Clouse’s Butcher Boy. Offspring >from these two were used in successful programs. This >blood looks to be the core of Jake’s yard, just as >Geronimo became available. > >Wilder’s Tammy ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=3462 >Nebletts was brought into the mix, bred straight to >Geronimo. > >Tartenaar’s Cindy ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=3499 >Hemphill’s Red Dixie (Geronimo’s sister) was bred to >Red Ace, to produce Cindy. Cindy was used by Everett >Tartenaar, who had some good success. > >Wilder’s Red Dot ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=3476 >Looks like breeding Renee to Geronimo II was an honest >attempt to infuse some good working blood with the >Hemphill strain. The mix of these lines should have >provided a good niche. Geronimo II was then smartly >bred back to Red Dot. > >Spacy’s Taxi ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=8205 >Geronimo II to Coles/Nebletts/etc > >Brown’s Red Bruiser ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=3467 >Spacy’s Taxi back to Geronimo II. In my opinion, this >was perhaps one of the last, smart breedings that Jake >did. Bruiser anchored Mike Morgan’s yard. > >These double Geronimo II breedings (Red Dot/Taxi back >to Geronimo II) produced some worthwhile >representatives. Red Bruiser was a multi-time winner. > Dogs from these breedings would most assuredly have >required some heavy culling but if I could turn back >time, I certainly would have acquired a few down from >the above. > >Here is an example of where Jake was working with >blood other than heavy Hemphill (with good results). >Hiwassee’s Booger Boy ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=38333 >Sire to Grand Champion Lucky Strike. The dam to Gr. >Ch. Lucky Strike was heavy Geronimo II and Red Dot. ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigr</a> >ee.php?dog_id=38334 > >It is my opinion that after the above breedings, the >blood began to tank. > >In 1978, Jake Wilder was 80 years old. As father time >begins to reel us in, some things just start to fall >away from us… Including our dear associates. >Based on the early breedings that Jake made, he seemed >to have access to some worthwhile blood. As I wrote >earlier, Jake was well liked and given access to many >top flight dogs. As the associates who provided that >blood all passed way, Jake lost access. >This lead to fewer options and choices. > >Jake did not seem to hold on to his core blood very >well. Jake was a WWI veteran and his only source of >income was his pension. In later years, selling dogs >was his only means of additional revenue. As the OFRN >dogs became popular, Jake was breeding and selling >dogs for whomever wanted one. More than once he sold >off his foundation stock and had to get it back, via >pups from his customers. > >As I was learning about OFRN dogs, I was directed to >speak with Tom Browne (owner of Red Bruiser). I was >told that he was the real action man behind Jake and >that I could get the straight scoop from him. I had >contact with Mr. Brown from 1982 to the late 80’s. >Mr. Browne said that he liked Jake and would help him >with delivering puppies and shipping dogs, because >Jake was too old to do it all himself at the time. >He said that earlier on, Jake was involved in rolling >some dogs but never heard of or saw him match >anything. Mr. Browne used other blood besides the >OFRN stock and actively matched dogs. Tom Browne was >a good man. As other people influenced Jake, Mr. >Browne seemed to fade out of the picture. After that, >Jakes dogs went to hell. >Years after he stopped dealing with Jake, Mr. Browne >told me that he did not understand why so many people >were buying these “red dogs”, as “they would fight >like hell for 20 minutes and then quit”. Because he >was active with matching, Mr. Browne knew what to look >for and selected the best of what was available from >Jake’s stock, while the getting was still good. Heavy >Bruiser stock still peaks an interest with me. > >The older generation was kind to Jake. He was the >innocent country guy and they liked him. They did not >take advantage of him. The newer generation did not >have the same value system and treated him >accordingly. As Jake became older, I believe his >judgment was not what it once may have been and those >that were close to him in later years, used his blood >for their own intentions. > >I recall speaking with Jake on one occasion. He was >telling me about a breeding that he was going to make >with a male owned by an associate of his (circa mid >80’s). He was making the breeding because he liked >the structure and size of the male (over 80 lbs) and >was amazed by the size of the dog’s feet. No mention >of gameness or ability. The dog was Yeargain’s >Buffalo Bill. > >So my opinion is that with the loss of true dog-men at >his side, Jake lost the ability to infuse good blood >into his program, along with the ability to select the >right dogs to move forward with. Those that he teamed >with in later years were not as knowledgeable and did >not move the line in the right direction. Instead of >infusing worthwhile blood like the kind listed above, >we ended up with crosses with this shit in it. >Jo Jo ><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printabl">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printabl</a> >ePedigree.php?dog_id=3846 > >As Tom Browne did, there have been some who have found >worthwhile OFRN specimens and kept the blood straight >(thank god for those folks). Some people say Jake >wrecked the Hemphill blood. Even though he was not a >true dog-man, I actually like what he did until he >lost his good influences and his mind. one of the best wilder dogs i have ever seen www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=37116 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |