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Subject: Response


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Fred4
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Date Posted: 20:22:02 09/30/09 Wed
In reply to: To Fred4 's message, "Re: Mom keeps trying" on 10:46:21 09/30/09 Wed

These are very good observations, with one exception. One does not tend to be frozen in a position if totally accepting of what one feels and then asking what does that lead to next (I don't mean acting out irrational impulses, but accepting them and moving on). Yes, things do come up again, but in accepting them, one can move on to a fairly significant degree. I indicate what I felt and did years ago, and that gives me a better basis for life today.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Your reactions and exploring them


Author:
Fred4
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Date Posted: 10:50:13 10/01/09 Thu

My comments here are about to be somewhat unfair. I will cover what an adult who takes multiple enemas in reaction to uncomfortable, frequent or unneeded childhood enemas gets out of that. It is unfair, because while I had these reactions in my early 20s, my dominant reaction was toward "perfect kids" who seemed to handle childhood enemas which I found I couldn't. I don't address that here, because that is a longer (and maybe more personal) topic.

So, what does one "get out of" taking enemas as an adult (young adult is fine) when you had the adverse conditions as a kid:

1. You now control the process entirely (or if you pass the process of having someone else give you enemas, you control, or think you control, that choice). Controlling the process yourself is entirely different than having someone else control that process on you.

2. Let's consider if in controlling the process, you want to make the process as comfortable as possible. You control the temperature, the volume, the height from which the enema bag is hung, clearing any air in the tube, what if anything you add to the water, stops when you get cramps and how you handle the cramps. You can control if you want to start with small volume and take successive enemas to make it more comfortable. As far as entry, you control the nozzle, or if you prefer colon tube, and what and how much lubricant if any you use.

3. If you couldn't handle large volumes as a kid and want to prove to yourself you can, you can start smaller and take successive enemas so each one becomes easier to take. Also, as an adult, your body can hold more. If volume objective was a reaction of your psychological mind set, you are far better able to achieve it.

4. If being "totally clean" inside is your objective, you can more easily achieve it (even though temporary, as future food is processed) through the above mentioned processes.

5. Enemas do create sexual reactions. As a teen or an adult, they are far more direct and apparent than as a kid when they may be somewhat present though more latent. You can stimulate those reactions as far as you want, and do what one may want subsequently if a totally clean rear end was the objective.


So, fine, giving yourself (or having someone else give you) enemas can meet any or all of the above objectives that weren't under your control or achieveable as a kid. It's virtually impossible in some cases to say don't take the adult enemas, and one might argue why not go ahead and do it. That could be the right answer to what one feels.

I would only maintain that I think that many people might find that while proceeding along that path, just ask yourself whether all of it is great. I think often it may not be. In those cases, at those times when you are less intensively driven to give yourself enemas, I'd suggest exploring that as far as you want to take that. I think that may lead to a process to overcome what might be the compulsive reaction. I don't go into that further, not because it shouldn't be gone into further - it definitely should be - but it may likely different from one person and background to another person and background.

I hope some people find these thoughts interesting.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Your reactions and exploring them


Author:
Richard
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Date Posted: 11:22:54 10/01/09 Thu

Fred4 wrote a comment that contained the words, "Intensively driven." I believe that the correlation between taking, or giving someone an enema, is based upon a persons sexual urge. I know in my case, when my urge was extremely high, I was "driven" to go out and find someone to give an enema too. During psychoanalysis, the doctor said I was indeed driven, and this drive was severe enought to warrent medication. My mental condition was based on the fact that my earliest enemas, when I was just a baby and/or a young child, were forced upon me by both my father and mother. I could only get sexual satisfication, during the act of giving a very goodlooking person an enema. I think the above correlation also applies to many other members of this forum including, perhaps, Fred4.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Your reactions and exploring them


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Matt
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Date Posted: 12:22:53 10/01/09 Thu

Growing up I was given enemas in front of others. At the time there was no sexual conotations at that time since I was only 6 to about 9 or 10 years old when this happened. Many of the those watching were girls just a little older than, moms friend daughters, girl cousins and so forth. The sexual nature of these ordeals did not hit me until after puberty and brought the memories of the events happening. I would say I was 14 years old or so when re-living the enemas with the girls watching became sort of sexual for me. Was I driven to relive that again? No, there was no sexual urge to have that ever happen again to me. I presume for some and myself, the embarrassment of being exposed for the procedure had become sexual, but not in a way that I would want it to continue. In fact I was glad they were over when I reached about 10 or so, but thinking about the girls watching the whole process of getting an enema at 14 became sexual to me. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Another thought, Richard


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Fred4
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Date Posted: 07:42:24 10/02/09 Fri

Richard, I had another thought which most likely has occurred to you.

If one of the people who you have given enemas to sought them to contrast that with a painful childhood experience, and wanted gentleness and consideration in its administration by you, could you ask the same of them? They might well understand, and it might help the healing process for both of you. One thought, though, is that regardless of your attraction to that person, if it could be done for the restorative purposes for both of you, it might almost be better if it could be for that alone, and that any sexual relationship with that person, if it were to occur, would come later.

Just a thought.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Response to Matt


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Fred4
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Date Posted: 08:37:06 10/02/09 Fri

Matt, Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments but I may be inferring them correctly.

Could the sexual response you felt be as follows: Okay, you were exposed naked to girls before 10, and were given enemas at that time. Your later reaction from age 14 on was that you wouldn't mind at all being exposed naked to an attractive girl around your age, and that you would particularly like it if she liked what she saw, and especially if she liked it in a sexual way. However, you would not want at all her attraction to you to be a main desire on her part to give you an enema. You wanted her attraction to you to be in its own right, just straight sexual attraction.

If so, I can't see anything more normal than that.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Richard's comments


Author:
Fred4
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Date Posted: 17:39:38 10/01/09 Thu

Richard, I don't know whether your psychoanalyst was or wasn't taking the easy road out by giving you medication. Like any field, I guess psychoanalysis has some really good people and some of various ordinary skills.

It's certainly normal for you to feel sexual attraction to attractive people. Usually that leads to a person wanting to have any of a number of ways of regular sex with them. Desiring to give them enemas is a bit unusual, but not so given what happened to you as a kid.

It may not be bad for you to break apart the source of those feelings.

One possibility is that you feel you were raped as a child by getting the enemas. You may feel great that someone you view as attractive wants them given by you, and not in a forcing or unpleasant way to them. It is a non-rape processing of a previous rape situation.

Another possibility is that as a result of your childhood enemas (and if anything else in your life), you have a low level of self-esteem. Here an attractive person enhances your self-esteem by agreeing to let you give them enemas.

Another is that you feel that your anus is a particularly vulnerable part of you, and that the highest compliment you could get from someone is to let you explore with their anus.

Maybe the whole process not of taking enemas as I had described but giving them as well for which I mentioned five considerations might have some of those considerations here as well.

It could be one or more, or all of these considerations, or maybe of others that causes you to have the attraction you have. There might be some value of your taking apart which of these is applicable and what the implications of that may be, to get closer to your underlying feelings.

One thought that may pass your mind was that after giving them an enema, they took it fine, while you didn't when you were a kid. The more appropriate reaction is their age when you gave them, and the way you gave them, compared to your reaction when taking them at that age and the same manner. It may be surprising that the reactions are not too different. If some seem to handle it better than others, that could be just differences in the size of people's colons. I don't think you would find much difference in how the bathroom smells after you eliminate your enemas than how it smells after they eliminate theirs; if there are, everyone experiences less and more smelly times.

It is not my intention, nor do I want to know, if these feelings you get are when you have not had any sexual release for some time. Virtually all people have libidos which have to be released from time to time. If you don't have any regular sexual outlets, then it would seem perfectly normal for you to masturbate at those times. That might help relieve (but obviously not eliminate) those strong desires.

There are a lot of ways you can look at your reactions that I think medication may just dull and not eliminate.



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