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MEDICAL AND PSYCOLOGICAL ORDEALS IN CHILDHOOD AND TEENHOOD - interesting polls and stories -- Knut Holt, 14:30:35 04/23/17 Sun

Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood

Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

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Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524

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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807

All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.

Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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Boy, 12yo, USA, inspection throught the anus and digestive testing

It happenede when I was a 12 year old boy, in USA, in 2010 or later. I was 12 and it happened in a hospital in a small town. They performed an exam or procedure but was not given information about what they did. The procedure happened in a hospital. I'm not really sure I was just told I had to go to the hospital for a procedure, and that I needed to have it done. They said something about fixing a problem I had.

SYMPTOMS AFTER THE PROCEDURE

I had pain irritition or other problems in my mouth, in my respiratory tract or lungs and in my anus or rectum.

My underwear beng messed up or other signs that I had been stripped naked at my lower body. The time till I you regained consciousness was at least twice as long than expected. My parents or others giving hints or remarks about unexpected symptoms or signs.
Strange persons appeared around me before and after the procedure than those you expected to perform the procedure. All I remember is being told I would be asleep for an hour and it took two hours.

ANESTHESIA

I don't really know what they did. I was given medication intravenously. They gave me gas through a mask. They put a mask on me and gave me an injection. My step dad brought me there. I was asleep the whole time.

EXAMINATION WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT

Yeah they did a ct scan and ultrasound of my belly before the procedure but didn't tell me why

INTERNAL INSPECTIONS AND TESTS

I think they did something to my bladder or kidneys or both. After the anesthesia I had a tube and wire up my anus, and they told me it was to monitor the pressure inside me, that was placed during the procedure.

ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE PROCEDURE

Yeah, a couple of ivs. Yeah, I had a breathing tube, they kept it in me for a hour after I woke up. I had catheter, it was just to a bag Yeah I had a tube and wire up my anus they told me it was to monitor the pressure inside me. Heart monitor Yeah they kept listening to my belly

COMMENTS

The boy surely got general anesthesia with paralyzation of all muscles and artificial ventilation during the procedure. It is highly probable they inspected his bladder and the passages up to his kidneys.

They surely inspected his rectum and colon. They also placed a tube with monitoring elctronic to test the function in his colon. That test continued after the anesthesia was out.

Based on the description it also seems that people from the child protective services also were present to look for symptoms of abuse or habits not approved by the society.

It is highly probable that the school or the child protective system ordered the exam after observation that the boy had habits that did not conform to a strict sheme established by paranoid authorities.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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A FEW OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED:

Girl, Uncertain age, North America, well-child physical with endoscopic examinations through pelvic openings

I am a female. Year 2000 or after. In North America. I was examined in a hospital. Please tell more about the place where you was examined: my regular doctor. My dad took me. The doctor and assistants examined me , while my dad was present. My regular doctor, and she had 3 assistants, also female doctors.

EXAM OVERVIEW:

They examined my head, teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals and my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones.

They inserted instruments into my urinary opening, not sure what it was. They inserted instruments into my vagina, not a speculum, unsure. They inserted instruments into my rectal openin, not a speculum, unsure.

They performed a neurologic exam with electrodes on my body. They performed an electrocardiogram of my heart. They performed a exam with electrodes on my head. They performed a full functional test of my breathing, heart and blood circulation under workload.

They made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life.

They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas.

ARRANGEMENTS:

I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: various. standing, laying flat, stirrups. Any strange equipment or arrangements in the exam room? Yes, but I have no idea what it was.

THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:

Firstly took me and my dad into a room and told me to undress, then took me out into the hall to be weighed and measured. A nurse took all my clothes and shoes.

Thirdly led me and my dad to a different room with a bed. Then took rectal temperature. And then standing, bending, squatting. They also looked in ears, eyes, mouth. The exam ended with me laying down, legs in stirrups, electrodes monitoring various things, breast, genital, rectal exam.

It took a really really long time. About the reason I have no idea there was nothing wrong with me. I am still confused by how long and thorough it was.

MORE ABOUT THE URINARY AND GENITAL EXAM:

I do not remember exactly how they examined my urinary system, but they did something down there. They stuck something in there.

They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They took speciments (pap smears, etc) from my vagina with an instrument. They performed an outer ultrasound exam of my female genitals and lower tummy area.

They perfomed an ultrasound exam through my vagina. They also applied some gel to my clitoris that made it really engorged, then examined.

RECTAL EXAM:

They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They took some measurements inside my rectum or bowel with a long tube-like instrument.

Something got inserted in my rectum and vagina at the same time, im really not sure what or why.

OBSERVATIONS OF STRANGE ASPECTS:

I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my genital and urinary zone. It was just supposed to be a followup. I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my rectal zone. It was supposed to be just a followup.

Someone strange person came and performed an intimate exam even though I was called in for quite another reason, my doctor and 3 other doctors, all women.

Someone strange person came and performed a social interrogation even though I was called in for quite another reason. One of the women, not my doctor, asked me lots of questions, lots of really personal questions.

I was brought to orgasm during the exam. The exam took a very long time, and my dad was there the whole time! It was pretty mortifiying.

The exam did not result in any diagnosis, still not sure why or what it was for.

New exams as follow up: Follow up with my primary doctor a month later, that was just a normal exam. nothing was said. No other kind of followup. maybe it was just some sort of study i was volunteered for?

COMMENTS

The girl did not tell her age when this occured. Some areas in the world have started to do extended examinations of all children and teens where inspections and specimen taking in the urinaty system, vagina and lower digestive tract is also performed. Often the children are called un individually for these exams. They may be mandatory or recommended, depending on the community. Interrogation of social relations also is commeon during these exams. One purpose of the exam is surveillance of the young persons in the community for use both by the school and all type of authorities.

But this could also have been a part in a scientific project. It is possible that the parents got money for letting the doughter take part.

Based on the description it looks like 4 things were done in both her urethra, bladder, vagina, anus and lower colon: Ispection with an optical scope, taking of specimens of secretions and microbes, test of reactions and functions, measuring of shapes and sizes to get an exact picture of her development stage.

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Girl, 15 yo, Nevada, Cystoscopy to investigate voiding difficuloties

I am female. The exam took place in North America. Nevada, in 2003 When I was 15 years old.

The cystoscopy occured in a hospital. I got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason. My dad took me. It was a follow-up after visiting my primary doctor when I had minor pains and some difficulty peeing.

PREPARATION

Had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Given enema at home before going. Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained.

I lay on back with legs in stirrups. I got np anesthesia. I wasn't really worried or anxious or scared so i didnt need anything to calm my nerves. I got lubrication of my peehole but i dont think it had any pain killing effects. It felt weird but didn't really hurt.

THE PROCEDURE

They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They also used an ultrasond probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area.

DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UP

It was inconclusive. They didnt find anything wrong with me. suggested I drink plenty of water, cranberry juice. and green tea, and a followup with my primary doctor 2 weeks later unless it got worse.

The reason was problems with urination. The followup appointment was fine. My symptoms were gone. Doctor said it might be due to stress or something. It might have been where I worried it into existence. Had some trouble peeing, and some minor pains down there that led to speculation with me and my mom about what it was, which caused more worry...it turned out to be nothing.

JUDGEMENT

It was useful. It was not any big deal. The exam felt really weird like it should hurt somehow but it wasn't painful at all. I think getting that exam put my mind at ease and whatever it was just went away.

COMMENT

With modern equipment and with a gental approach a cystoscopy is a very easy procedure that can be made painfree without deep sedation or general anesthesia. In reality can the anesthesia give more disconfort, trouble and risk than the procedure done without. Doing the procedure as in this case is mostly the best way.

Yet many health institutions always subject children and teens to deep sedation or general anestesia for this procedure and other simple procedures. This shows that there is a great amount of dishonesty in the health institutions and that they often do additional things they do not tell to the kid and not to the parents either.

But this girl was taken care of by a staff working in an honest way.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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Boy, schoolage 6-9, North America, Bladder augmentation

At schoolage 6-9. The procedure happened in North America. The procedure occured in 2010 or later.

OVERVIEW OF THE ORDEAL

I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. I had cystoscopy or other procedure through my urethra. I had an operation to make my bladder bigger.

SYMPTOMS AFTER THE PROCEDURE

I had pain, irritation or other problems in my respiratory tract or lungs. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my urethra or bladder. It was in a hospital in a big city.

PREPARATION AND ANESTHESIA

I was given sedative medicines through my mouth. They gave me a mask that smelled like fruit punch. The procedure happened in a hospital. My bladder was too small.

My parents brought me. I had to have a couple of enams before the opertion one just asfter i came to the hospital, one before i went to bed that night and one in the morning before the operation.

The operation was supposed to be anywhere from 5 to 7 hours. mine was only 5 and a half. Before I had the operation I was only allowed to have clear liquid and jello for 3 days.

ARRANGEMENT AFTER THE PROCEDURE

I had IV tubes, but i don't remember what they all were. No breathing tube, just a mask. I had catheter, I had to have it in the first 3 of the five days i was in the hospital after the operation. Wlectrodes gor just monitoring my heart. They checked my urine output and did an ultrasound. I was asleep the whole time.

COMMENTS

Bladder augmentation seems to be fairly often done to boys. One may however ask if this is one of the many procedures kids go through unneccesary or where other treatments would be better. The reason for this is that a part of an intestine is usually used to make the bladder greater. Therefore there will also be a change in the digestive system and the bladder will be patched with something that will not work as the rest of the bladder and the chance of complications is great.

The thorrough cleaning of the didgestive tract was to prepare for the cutting out of a part of an intestine.

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Boy, 13 yo, Canada, abducted from cabin at summer camp, probably by government

I am male. It happened at summer camp in Canada. I was 13 at the time.

HOW IT ALL BEGAN

I was lying in bed in my cabin. I had just gone to the bathroom. Some alien-looking being appeared by me, but I did not see where they came from.

I didn't see the vehicle but I was taken up in a bright light through the roof of the cabin. They floated me along suspended in the air. I suddenly was inside the vehicle or some foreign place without knowing how it happened.

PREPARATIONS

They also took with them other persons, teenagers, together with me. The first room I was in was like a waiting room and me and my other cabin mates were all lying on beds that looked like hospital beds.

When waiting I was strapped down. When waiting I had some device at my urinary opening to keep me empty. When waiting I had some device at my anus to keep me empty. When waiting I had a mask over my mouth and nose. I saw teenage people being prepared together with me.

I was then taken to an operating room with glass walls in it and put onto a table with bright lights over it. They stripped me totally naked. They washed me. They emptied my bladder with a tube inserted into my urinary opening. They emptied my colon with a device inserted through my anus.

Yes it was an operating room like I described before. I could see my cabin mates in other rooms They took off my boxers that I was sleeping in, washed me and then emptyed my bladder and intestines.

TESTING OF BODY REACTIONS AND FUNCTIONS

They monitored my reactions with devices on my head. They monitored my reactions with devices at different body parts. They tested my reaction with devices at my pelvic area, genitals or rectal zone. They stimulated me with electrodes at various body parts and tested my reactions. I was kept in the same room as before before the tests.

They hooked up wires to me and ran machines over me.

EXAMINATIONS AT THE HEAD OR THROUGH THE MOUTH OR NOSE

They looked at and felt on my head, face. mouth, eyes, ears and nose. They put instruments onto my eyes and looked into them. They put instruments into my ears. They put instruments into my nose.

They put instruments into my mouth and down into my throut. They put instruments through my mouth and all the way into my stomach. They put instruments through my mouth and down towards my lungs. They stuck some needles into parts of my head or neck. They examined my head with electrodes. They examined my head with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They examined my head and neck in other ways.

I didn't feel anything at all and they were doing the same thing to everyone in different rooms.

EXAMINATION AT THE BREAST, BACK AND STOMACK

They looked and felt at my breast. They examined my breast with something like x-rays or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my breast. They looked and felt at my stomach. They examined my stomach with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my stomach.

They looked and felt at my back. They examined my back with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my back. They examined my breast, stomach and back with electrodes. They examined my breast, stomach and back in other ways.

I don't really remember much they seemed to be curious about my belly more than anywhere else.

EXAMINATION OF MY LIMBS

They looked at and felt at my limbs and joints. They tested my joints by bending, flexing, spreading and twisting my legs, arms, hands and feet in all thinkable direction. They used something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment on my joints and limbs. They stuck needles into my joints and limbs. They examined my joints and limbs with electrodes. They examined my limbs and joints in other ways.

I don't really remember much about what they did except move my arms and legs around.

EXAMINATIOM OF THE INTIMATE AREA

They looked at and felt at my intimate area. They examined the outside of my genitals and pelvic area with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They inserted a thin and long instrument in through my urinary opening, like a cystoscope.

They stuck something like an ultrasound sond in through my anus. They inserted a thin and long instrument through my anus, like a colonoscope.

They stuck needles into my genitals. They examined my intimate zone in other ways. They put some needles into my balls.

POSITIONS AN ARRANGEMENTS

I was lying down on my back the whole time. Sometimes they moved the table to elivate my legs.

COMMUNICATIONS GIVEN

I don't remember anything else except they said I would go to sleep
soon and wake up in my bed again.

HOW I GOT BACK

I do not remember how I got back, but I woke up at the place where they took me.

SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS AFTERWARDS

I felt tired and drawsy when I was back. When I woke up I had my underwear on backwards and they were another boys and I had my appendix removed.My clothes were messed up or put back clumpsily. Some clothes were changed with somebody else's clothes.

I felt totally empty in my stomach as if all the contents in my intestines had been flushed out. We all had small scars where our appendix should have been. Nope not at all.
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COMMENTS:

The kids were most probably examined and used in some secret governmental surveillance project directed on children and teens. The whole procedure followed a standard international protocol used for extensive examination of kids, sometimes as a part of secret projects, but in some communities atound the world as a mandatory procedure all kids go through, but is nevertheless never spoken about to the public.

The fact that the kids did not ask very much about what had happened afterwards is an effect of the anesthesia given. The staff at the camp did not react either, because they knew what was going on. It see,s that governments use summe camps very much to subject kids to such secret projects, and Canada seems to be very much involved in these projects.

The body development status, the stomach area and the intimate area are always of most interest in these projects. They probably stole tissue from the abdominal area, including the apendices, for use in research and for treatment of other patients. This tissue was surely sold through the international organ trade market.

The ordeal most probably began by the staff giving the kids some anesthesia through their evening meal, injected some anetshesia gas into the kabin, or knocked the kid out with some kind of electromagentic rays also bright light over the kids had the effect of knocking them out and making them feel like floating.

Then they came in and carried the kids to a secret medical area, possibly underground. The staff surely disquized themselves by wearing masks and uniforms for the task. Some kind of anesthesi make the patient feel like floating and going towards the roof, for example ketamine.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm