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Date Posted: 09:50:13 03/05/07 Mon In reply to: Oropan 's message, "We went through this whole discussion in late 2005" on 07:41:09 03/05/07 Mon The facts are that during the last 15 years, the atlantic hurricanes are more active than ever recorded, and this correspondes to record warm waters in the atlantic. The pacific and indian oceans show no increase in hurricanes, but they do show increased intensity of hurricanes, probably because they have alot more hurricanes than the atlantic. The record of pacific and indian ocean hurricanes is very unreliable until recent decades, so critics claim that we do not know if there is an increase in the power of pacific and indian ocean storms, but that also means we don't know that the number of these storms is not increasing, we only know that the data is not reliable until recent decades, leaving us with the atlantic data as the only reliable data, and the atlantic storms are increasing in number and power. The atlantic storms are more frequent and powerful than they were from 1930 - 1970, when the atlantic was in an active cycle, we are comparing similar phases of the cycle. Hurricanes are powered by heat, winter hurricanes are rare, it is almost certain that increased global temps will increase these storms, and most likely that the warmer atlantic temps causes the increase in the last 15 years. there are a hand full of scientists paid by industry who deny these facts, just like there were a few scientists paid off by industry to deny that smoking causes cancer, seatbelts are not safe and will make cars unaffordable, pollution control will make cars unaffordable, dioxin is safe, one scientist even offered to drink dioxin to prove it. The reason big business can't get enough scientists to deny global warming or that smoking causes cancer it because they don't pay the scientists enough, the CEO crook is making tens of millions a year, and the scientists get grants of only 10,000 dollars to disprove global warming! >The simple FACTS are that hurricanne numbers have been >below normal for quite some years now. It runs in >cycles and is due for an upturn....which still hasn't >materialized. Go back to the polar bear argument, you >get more people interested with that nonsense one! >BTW, polar bear numbers have increased five fold in >the last fifty years.....kinda like those caribo >around the pipeline on the North Slope! >Good luck with your "sky is falling" stuff Chicken >Little! > > > > > > > >> The waters of the gulf were 1 - 2 degrees above >>normal last summer, the el nino smothered hurricane >>development in the atlantic, still the season was near >>normal, with no major landfalls. For a few months >>this winter the gulf waters were at or below normal >>because there were alot of storms in the gulf of >>mexico, but the temperatures are now rising fast and >>have returned to being 1 - 2 degrees above normal, as >>it has been for much of the decade, it is possible >>that water temps in the gulf and atlantic may reach >>near the record levels of 2005, there will be some >>forecasts comming out soon on this. >>>BTW, what happened to those warm waters in 2006? They >>>went away in one year? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> It is almost certain that there will be another 2 >>>>degrees of global warming, most likely during the >>next >>>>40 years. The reason we can kill the american gulf >>>>coast good bye is because the hurricane season of >>2005 >>>>was powered by atlantic waters that were 2 - 4 >>degrees >>>>above historic temps. Most recent years have seen >>>>these waters 1 - 2 degrees above historic levels, so >>>>another 2 degrees will make the atlantic waters as >>>>warm as the record hurricane season of 2005 every >>>>year, there will be many more katrinas, ritas, >dennis >>>>and wilmas. All the gulf coast states are >>>>red-republican, it will be america's gain! >>>> >>>> >>>>>INTERVIEW-EU likely to miss global warming goal-UN >>>>>expert >>>>>02 Mar 2007 15:05:30 GMT >>>>>Source: Reuters >>>>> >>>>> By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent >>>>> >>>>>OSLO, March 2 (Reuters) - The European Union is >>>>>unlikely to meet the goal of a maximum 2 degree >>>>>Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) rise in temperatures which >>>it >>>>>views as a threshold for dangerous climate change, >a >>>>>leading U.N. climate official said on Friday. >>>>> >>>>>"It clearly seems very, very difficult to limit it >>to >>>>>below 2 degrees," Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of >the >>>>>Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), >>>told >>>>>Reuters in a telephone interview. >>>>> >>>>>"But who knows? It's not beyond the capabilities of >>>>>the human race to come up with actions," he said. >>>>> >>>>>The EU, outsiders such as Norway and many >>>>>environmentalists see a 2C rise in temperatures >over >>>>>pre-industrial times as a trigger for dangerous >>>>>changes such as rising sea levels, droughts, heat >>>>>waves and floods. >>>>> >>>>>An IPCC report last month, based on the work of >>2,500 >>>>>climate scientists, blamed human activities more >>>>>clearly than ever for global warming. It said >>>>>greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels were >>>mainly >>>>>responsible. >>>>> >>>>>It projected a "best estimate" that temperatures >>>would >>>>>rise by between 1.8C and 4.0C (3.2F and 7.8F) this >>>>>century alone. >>>>> >>>>>Pachauri said temperatures had already risen by >>0.74C >>>>>(1.3F) since the Industrial Revolution in the 18th >>>>>century and would keep rising by 0.1C (0.2F) per >>>>>decade for coming decades even if emissions were >>kept >>>>>at current levels. >>>>> >>>>>An EU Commission proposal on Jan. 10, entitled >>>>>"Limiting Global Climate Change to 2C", called for >a >>>>>20-percent cut in EU emissions by 2020 or a >>>30-percent >>>>>cut if other industrialised countries were willing >>to >>>>>go further. >>>>> >>>>>ALMOST OUT OF REACH >>>>> >>>>>Former World Bank chief economist Nicholas Stern, >>who >>>>>issued a report last year concluding that it was >far >>>>>cheaper to act to combat climate change rather than >>>>>suffer the consequences, said this week that the 2C >>>>>goal was "almost out of reach". >>>>> >>>>>Pachauri, an Indian, said he would like the world >to >>>>>agree what dangerous climate change meant.A 1992 >>U.N. >>>>>Climate Convention set an overriding goal of >>averting >>>>>dangerous human interference with the climate >system >>>>>but gave no definition. >>>>> >>>>>"The question is 'dangerous for whom?'," Pachauri >>>>said. >>>>> >>>>>"If you look at the most vulnerable regions of the >>>>>world and ask them what dangerous is, they will say >>>>>they have reached that threshold already -- the >>small >>>>>island states, regions severely affected by >droughts >>>>>and floods," he said. >>>>> >>>>>He quoted independence leader Mahatma Gandhi as >>>>>saying: "You must always look at the effect of our >>>>>actions on the most dispossessed, the last man, the >>>>>one who is the least fortunate." >>>>> >>>>>By that yardstick, he said, dangerous had already >>>been >>>>>reached. 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