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Author: Oropan |
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Date Posted: 09:26:07 12/11/07 Tue In reply to: billvon 's message, "Re: New cliimate treaty meetings ." on 10:18:22 12/10/07 Mon "You can say what you want about my choices but the truth is i'm outside what others do and have gotten the job done already. It didn't take a meeting or debate. It took an evaluation of what i was going to need to satisfy my demand and that is where your failing. What are you talking about?" I understand perfectly what he is talking about....he is talking about personal responsibility. He didn't wait for some government edict to do what he thought would benifit his energy use. The fact is most people don't give a damn about energy use or global warming other than what it cost their own pocket book. Sure, it's cool and politically correct to claim you oppose global warming but that's as far as it goes with the vast majority of people. CAFE standards are a joke and just something that politicians do to make people think they are doing something. The vehicle I drive NOW already gets the mileage they are proposing for 2020 and I have owned it for 10 years. >>So, are you happy with their progress? > >Who's "they?" Car companies? US car companies - no. >They're still doing a pretty bad job overall. They >have some good ideas in the pipeline. The new CAFE >laws will bring those ideas from car shows onto the >streets. > >>I don't see how >>you can be. just because this loophole or that is >>created that doesn't mean people have to take >>advantage of it. > >Nonsense. If there's a loophole in the tax law that >lets you legally pay $5000 less tax - will you take >it? Or will you "not take advantage" of the system? > >>It's people who create these markets. >>manufacturers wouldn't make them if there wasn't >>profit in it. You can have all the meetings and >>treaties you want, but if money isn't being made in >>the process your system is faulty. > >That is EXACTLY right. You have to set up a system in >which car companies can make money by building cars >people will buy. Which is what CAFE does. > > >>If you aren't supported by >>the vast majority of the population your doomed to >>failure. > >Yep - and the majority of the population is now aware >that global warming is a problem we have to deal with. > >>You can say what you want about my choices >>but the truth is i'm outside what others do and have >>gotten the job done already. It didn't take a meeting >>or debate. It took an evaluation of what i was going >>to need to satisfy my demand and that is where your >>failing. > >What are you talking about? > >>You haven't even begun the evaluation of your >>projected requirements in any realistic manner. Just a >>bunch of claims and unrealistic targets. You deal in >>absolutes. Good luck with that. > >It's worked for me. I generate more electricity than >I use. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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| Re: New cliimate treaty meetings . | billvon | 12:16:37 12/11/07 Tue |