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Subject: Re: a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion

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billvon

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Date Posted: 12:14:52 12/14/07 Fri
In reply to: Oropan 's message, "Re: a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion" on 10:00:43 12/14/07 Fri

>I could care less about the Pope . . .

You're the one siding with the Pope.

>but NOBODY has shown me one single
>FACT that global warming is caused by Man.

Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas; in the upper atmosphere it is the primary greenhouse gas. (In the lower atmosphere the primary greenhouse gas is water vapor.)

Fact: We have increased the levels of CO2 in our atmosphere by 50%.

Fact: That increase taken alone will raise temperatures. It adds a "forcing" of approximately 1.7 watts per square meter to our atmospheric system.

Fact: This change was predicted (by the 1995 IPCC assessment) to increase temperatures on the surface of the planet.

Fact: Temperatures have indeed been increasing.

Note that I didn't have to invoke the Pope once during that list of facts.

> In fact
>Mars has had the same percentage temp rise as Earth
>and I doubt that was caused by Man......

And the temperature of both Jupiter and Saturn is dropping. I doubt that was caused by man either.

(I also find it hilarious that many deniers claim we can't understand the climate of Earth well enough to model it, but they understand the climate of Mars 100%!)

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Subject	Author	Date
Re: a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion	Oropan	06:28:02 12/15/07 Sat
Re: a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion -- billvon, 14:46:28 12/16/07 Sun