Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your
contribution is not tax-deductible.)
PayPal Acct: 
Feedback: 
Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):
| [ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, [7], 8, 9, 10 ] |
| Subject: Link from US Army corp of engineers will not link but | |
|
Author: Oropan |
[
Next Thread |
Previous Thread |
Next Message |
Previous Message
]
Date Posted: 13:35:32 04/16/07 Mon In reply to: Oropan 's message, "Repost of link" on 13:28:48 04/16/07 Mon You should be able to go to this page and create the table of numbers: http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes/hh/greatlakeswaterlevels/historicdata/greatlakeshydrographs/ > >href="http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/H >istoricGreatLakesLevels/pages.cfm?page=table&LakeID=1&Y >earID=19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,3 >5,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53 >,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71, >72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,9 >0,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,10 >6,107&MonthID=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12&Max=0&Min=0&Me >an=1&CFID=5812714&CFTOKEN=60825872">http://www.lre.usac >e.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/HistoricGreatLakesLevels/p >ages.cfm?page=table&LakeID=1&YearID=19,20,21,22,23,24,2 >5,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43 >,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61, >62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,8 >0,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98 >,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107&MonthID=1,2,3,4,5,6 >,7,8,9,10,11,12&Max=0&Min=0&Mean=1&CFID=5812714&CFTOKEN >=60825872 > > > >>I always like cold hard facts....no fake polar bear >>pictures from me! >> >>href="http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/ >H >>istoricGreatLakesLevels/pages.cfm?page=table&LakeID=1& >Y >>earID=19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34, >3 >>5,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,5 >3 >>,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71 >, >>72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89, >9 >>0,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,1 >0 >>6,107&MonthID=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12&Max=0&Min=0&M >e >>an=1&CFID=5812714&CFTOKEN=60825872">http://www.lre.usa >c >>e.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/HistoricGreatLakesLevels/ >p >>ages.cfm?page=table&LakeID=1&YearID=19,20,21,22,23,24, >2 >>5,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,4 >3 >>,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61 >, >>62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79, >8 >>0,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,9 >8 >>,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107&MonthID=1,2,3,4,5, >6 >>,7,8,9,10,11,12&Max=0&Min=0&Mean=1&CFID=5812714&CFTOKE >N >>=60825872 >> >>Note that the overall Great Lakes level was lower in >>December 1925 than it is/was in Dec 2006 and also >>lower than the long term average. And I see no zero >>nada info in the numbers to point to anything that >>shows the Lakes are dropping. And yes, the Great lakes >>are an interconnected series of lakes. Accually, I >>find it quite surprising that the levels are not >>dropping with the steadly larger amounts of water that >>are deverted from emptying into them along with the >>increasing amounts that are drawn from them. >> >> >> >> >> >>>Just recently he posted how cold it was there in >>>mockery of global warming. And you know, if it hasn't >>>happened to Oro, it hasn't happened. >>> >>>> "lake huron rolls, superior sings, in the rooms >of >>>>her ice water mansion" (gordon lighfoot, wreck of >>>>the edmond fitzgerald) >>>> >>>> Lake superior's status as an "ice water mansion" >>>>is in danger, as ice coverage has been well below >>>>normal for years, and increased evaporation are >>taking >>>>a toll. Even with winter's dramatic comback in much >>>>of the eastern and central part of the united states >>>>in february and now in april, the greatest of >>american >>>>lakes is approaching all time record low levels. >All >>>>the other great lakes are fed by superior, and >>>>superior is about a third of the total area of the >>>>great lakes, this may be a disaster for the entire >>>>great lakes region in coming decades. >>>> >>>> >>>>Lower water means lighter loads, headaches on Great >>>>Lakes >>>>Sunday April 15, 2007 >>>>By EMILY FREDRIX >>>>AP Business Writer >>>>MILWAUKEE (AP) When Fred Shusterich looks around the >>>>harbor on Lake Superior, he sees things he hasn't >>seen >>>>in years little islands poking out of the water. >>>> >>>>Shusterich is concerned, like many others connected >>to >>>>the shipping industry, about what those islands >>>>signify off the city of Superior in far northern >>>>Wisconsin. >>>> >>>>``I think it may be another very poor year if this >>>>drought continues as far as water levels,'' he said. >>>> >>>>Now's the time when harbors along the Great Lakes >>>>Superior, Michigan, Huron, Ontario and Erie thaw and >>>>shipping begins, carrying 10 percent of the >country's >>>>waterborne cargo. >>>> >>>>But excitement over the shipping season is being >>>>replaced with frustration over low water levels, >>which >>>>is forcing shippers to lighten their loads so they >>can >>>>move safely into harbors. >>>> >>>>The lighter loads sometimes hundreds of tons per >ship >>>>turn into headaches for suppliers that send their >>>>goods on vessels, shippers and companies whose >orders >>>>come up short. >>>> >>>>Midwest Energy Resources, the coal supplier where >>>>Shusterich is president, just sent out its first >>>>vessel of the season with a load just under 60,000 >>>>tons, shy of a typical 62,000-ton shipment, he said. >>>> >>>>Shippers don't expect the situation to improve soon. >>A >>>>warmer-than-normal winter this year means more >>>>evaporation because the lakes aren't protected by >ice >>>>cover. They also worry about dredging the process by >>>>which sand, silt and other debris are removed from >>>>harbors. Dredging doesn't solve the problem of low >>>>water levels. But it does give ships wiggle room to >>>>carry more weight. >>>> >>>>Unfortunately, the federal government, which pays >for >>>>most of the harbor dredging, can't keep up with >>>>demand, said Glen Nekvasil, vice president of >>>>corporate communications for the Lake Carriers' >>>>Association, a trade group for shippers on the Great >>>>Lakes. >>>> >>>>For every inch the lakes recede, ships must reduce >>>>their loads between 50 and 270 tons, he said. At the >>>>end of last season, with waters particularly low on >>>>Lake Superior, ships lost about 8,000 tons per trip >>>>about 11 percent of their carrying capacity, he >said. >>>> >>>>``Every ton has an impact. These companies, they >earn >>>>their living carrying cargo, so every lost ton of >>>>cargo is lost revenue,'' Nekvasil said. >>>> >>>>Shipping is big business. Last year, a little more >>>>than 1 billion tons of goods such as iron ore, coal >>>>and limestone, were waterborne in the U.S., he said. >>>>Shippers on the Great Lakes hauled 110 million tons >>of >>>>cargo, with more than half of that iron ore. >>>> >>>>Back in the late 1990s, shippers hauled as much as >>125 >>>>million tons of cargo a year on the Great Lakes. >Last >>>>year's numbers are at least partially due to the low >>>>water levels, but the steel industry which uses iron >>>>ore has been slow, too, Nekvasil said. The coal >trade >>>>has been steady and the roughly 70 ships in the U.S. >>>>fleet regularly sail, he said. >>>> >>>>Water levels have slipped for years and the forecast >>>>isn't getting any better. Lakes Erie and Ontario are >>>>faring better than the others this year, said Scott >>>>Thieme, chief of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' >>>>hydraulics and hydrology office in Detroit. But >>>>numbers show they're still lower than last year. >>>> >>>>Lake Superior is within a few inches of its record >>low >>>>599.5 feet deep, set in 1926. It's now about a foot >>>>lower than last year and projections for this summer >>>>are that it'll get even lower. >>>> >>>>It's unclear how long the other areas will maintain >>>>levels above record lows, because all the lakes are >>>>connected, Thieme said. >>>> >>>>``The lakes are so large that there's such a huge >>>>volume of water. It takes a long time for some of >>>>these impacts to move through the system with them >>all >>>>being linked,'' he said. >>>> >>>>One way to combat it is to dredge so vessels can get >>>>in. This year the Corps of Engineers will spend $20 >>>>million on dredging projects in the Great Lakes >>>>region, up from $19 million last year. But that >>>>increase is due to projects on Chicago commercial >>>>ports, which are not dredged as often, said Angie >>>>Mundell, project manager for operations for the >corps >>>>in Detroit. >>>> >>>>Nekvasil's group argues the government should >>spending >>>>more. >>>> >>>>``This is a major issue for the industry. It's our >>>>primary focus right now,'' he said. >>>> >>>>Grain exporter Chicago and Illinois River Marketing >>>>isn't waiting for the government to dredge its >harbor >>>>in Milwaukee. Richard Blaylock, manager at the >>>>company's site, said the company spent $200,000 in >>two >>>>years to dredge its own spot off the Milwaukee >>Harbor. >>>> >>>>With shipping season just under way, he's not sure >if >>>>the company will have to dredge for a third year in >a >>>>row. >>>> >>>>``Dredging is expensive and I'd like not to have to >>do >>>>it,'' Blaylock said. >>>> >>>>Iron ore mining company Cleveland Cliffs will simply >>>>hire more ships to carry its ore to customers like >>>>steel plants throughout the region, said Dana Byrne, >>>>vice president of public affairs for the >>>>Cleveland-based company. >>>> >>>>The dwindling water levels mean a typical vessel >>>>carrying between 25,000 and 30,000 tons will have to >>>>reduce its load by 1,000 tons per trip, he said. >>>> >>>>``We're going to move the tons we need to move and >>>>we'll just have to do it,'' Byrne said. ``It's just >>>>going to take more trips and added cost.'' >>>> >>>>Shusterich's company, Midwest Energy Resources, >plans >>>>to contract to have 450 ships again this year. He >>said >>>>it'll continue to serve customers, like electric >>>>utilities and industrial companies, by rail and >truck >>>>when it can. >>>> >>>>``When we're running at the levels we're running, it >>>>means you need more vessels to carry the same amount >>>>of cargo,'' he said. ``But at some point you run out >>>>of vessels.'' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On the Net: >>>> >>>>U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Great Lakes: >>rel=nofollow target=_blank >>>rel=nofollow target=_blank >>>>href="http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes">http >: >>/ >>>/ >>>>www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes >>>> >>>>Lake Carriers' Association: >target=_blank rel=nofollow >>target=_blank rel=nofollow >>>target=_blank rel=nofollow >>>>target=_blank >>>>href="http://www.lcaships.com">http://www.lcaships.c >o >>m >>>< >>>>/a> >>>> >>>>(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights >>>>Reserved.) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| Subject | Author | Date |
| Use this and check on lake superior historical data | Oropan | 13:43:05 04/16/07 Mon |
| Re: Is that the same Army that managed to sink New Orleans? n/t (NT) | L. | 07:15:53 04/24/07 Tue |