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Date Posted: 13:22:01 06/10/04 Thu
Author: Tom
Subject: The worst question, then...
In reply to: Chris 's message, "What is faith?" on 03:02:43 06/10/04 Thu

I totally understand and agree with your point of view regarding the matter of UBF "faith". As defined in Hebrews 11:1, faith is "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen". We as Christians believe in the triune God, though we have never seen him. We trust in God's will for our lives and do our best to follow Him obediently. Knowing God's will comes from prayer and fellowship with the Holy Spirit. Here, UBF loses on its so-called faith. They do not rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them, and they do not allow the Holy Spirit to work in them and through them to the "sheep" they recruit. Rather, they use control and manipulation tactics to keep their disciples under wraps. The faith of the UBF leaders rests solely in their abilities to coerce and subdue their members. This being the case, I often wonder if UBF leaders are saved. The worst question, then, is if they do not put their faith in God, following their own ideals and beliefs, are they even saved? One time, Ron Ward gave me his testimony about being saved. He basically said that he was a proud spoiled kid, and then he was found by a UBF missionary in a California University, and then he moved to Chicago to be with Ee after much wonderful brainwashing. I had not heard thing one about him turning his life over to Christ and accepting Him as his Lord and Savior. On top of that, he also told me at another point that "you can never be sure of your salvation". He said that you can actually lose your salvation! If that's the case, then I don't even think that these people are actually saved, that whatever they trusted in wasn't truly Christ but a false Christ, Ee Woo's Christ. To me, the whole problem with the UBF ministry comes down to a matter of doctrine. If they are not believing the right things, if they are not holding to sound doctrine, then who is to say that the UBF veterans and loyalists are even saved? If I was in UBF, and I heard beliefs of this nature, I would seriously consider getting out of there ASAP.

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Re: The worst question, then... -- former, 13:27:32 06/10/04 Thu