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Date Posted: 13:46:31 02/12/05 Sat
Author: Mike K.
Subject: A change...
In reply to: human 's message, "Re: soliciting "human's" opinion" on 17:29:51 02/11/05 Fri

Regarding the "we've changed", let me quote the ICC reform:


When parents, former members, or critics ask about problems in the ICC, the reply is often “we’ve changed.” In such instances it’s useful to ask what specifically changed, when the change occurred, and who initiated the change.


The ICC has occasionally made incremental changes where fundamental change was needed. Doctrines have been adjusted where they could have been discarded entirely. Practices like commanding obedience to discipling partners have been exchanged for more palatable versions that produce the same results. “We don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water” is a familiar cry in the movement. Instead, the baby gets left in the same unhealthy water.


Well, so far we have not heard that the Shepherd/Sheep structure ("authoritanism") has been abolished, we haven't heard that no longer SLee's materials are being used for SWS and 1:1, we haven't seen how the old leaders have repented or been removed from their position for authority abuse, we don't hear about financial audits, about acknowledging other Christian ministries, about apologies to wronged ex's...

... so where's the fundamental change that is being challenged for 30+ years already?

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