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Date Posted: 18:13:27 12/21/04 Tue
Author: Nick T.
Subject: Re: Rimas Orentas
In reply to: Anonymous 's message, "Rimas Orentas" on 14:46:27 12/21/04 Tue

Dear Anonymous,

I had spoken to Rimas in 2001 and maybe 2002. He told me how he came to his senses and left ubf. It is a pretty simple story, so I will re-tell it without his permission.

As you said, Rimas was highly coveted by ubfKoreans for being a white American who attended the elite Johns Hopkins Medical School. Rimas was a capable speaker, and also a very successful recruiter to ubf. He was the most successful recruiter in Washington ubf history. He was the type of American that ubfKoreans would kill for.

Not sure about all of the details, but from other things I read, Rimas was so promising he could have written his own ticket to anywhere. But ubfKoreans, probably with the stealth direction of EE Chang Woo, steered Rimas away from the most advantageous career choices. Rimas wound up at UW Milwaukee. I think the idea was to tie him up in a post doctorate studying and research to keep him near a campus. Just one more story about the greed and selfishness of ubfleaders.

When Rimas went to Milwaukee, there were several ubfKoreans already there who were stuck in a pattern of failure for twenty years. Somehow Rimas was given the direction to create his own separate chapter, Milwaukee II. Rimas took up the task of the post doc study/work and trying to establish a ubf chapter from scratch by himself. In short, Rimas spent all day at work, and all night and weekend playing ubf games. In his own words, Rimas left Angie all be herself to take care of the family.

Meanwhile, his lovely wife Angie was left to take care of the family by herself. She was not so happy, and spent time thinking about the situation. ubf tried to keep her in the ubfmindset, she was travelling to Chicago every week (90 miles each way) to have ubf one to one with Sara Bury. This was supposed to ensure she would be a great ubf coworker to Rimas. How lucky she was that she could drive 180 miles each weekend to look at Sara Bury!

But Angie was not satisfied. She decided to secretly attend a reputable church in Milwaukee. Not sure of the name, but the church was associated with the Andy Stanley ministries. Andy Stanley is pastor of North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, GA. Andy's church has 12,000 adult members at one location. He is the son of Dr. Charles Stanley. Andy has also written many books for young Christians. You can look him up here at

http://www.crown.org/AboutUs/andystanley.asp

At this church Angie attended, she ran into many nice Americans who had been recruited by the Milwaukee ubf but came to their senses and fled. What a coincidence!

Anyway, Rimas said that one day he was surprised to notice that Angie looked genuinely very happy. He asked her why she was so happy, he really wanted to know. She had not told him that she began to attend the other church, so she explained that she had not been happy, and went to the reputable American church in search of happiness. She found real sound Bible teaching, and this made her very happy.

Rimas was skeptical and intrigued. He wanted to check out this American church. He went to exactly one Sunday meeting there, and he decided that he would leave the ubf. He never did anything for ubf again. Rimas began to contact all the young people he had recruited while he was in Maryland, and shared his experience with them. In a short time, every single one of them left the ubf. One time Rimas went back to Washington ubf to discuss things with the ubfKoreans. They treated him like as if he were a leper. They made sure he couldn't speak to anyone, and spoke badly about him behind his back.

In the meantime, Chicago ubfcult leaders made up a story that Angie became lazy and worldly minded (normal speak meaning = she wanted to have a healthy family), and that Rimas was too weak to resist her pull. They did not speak badly about him in a loud voice, but they were very angry that they lost such a prized possession. Very angry.

Rimas left me with the one word that really stuck out in his mind about ubf, and that was he saw what ubf was doing was the efforts of man, the work of flesh. And the passage that he applied to ubf is the following from I Corinthians 3

10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

He saw ubf as wood or straw, the lowest quality, in a spiritual sense. He did not want to make any public statements or in writing. He may not respond to our inquiries, but what I wrote here is what he went through when he saw the light and left the ubf behind.

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