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Date Posted: 16:20:37 11/27/04 Sat
Author: Anonymous
Subject: I'm sorry, you don't seem to make sense
In reply to: S.M. aka "A Christian Man" 's message, "Witnesses?" on 16:15:52 11/27/04 Sat

Dear SM,

Your posting seems to have been written in anger, and I must say it makes little sense.

>I was just reading the recent postings, and over and
>over, you people have said that "Christian Man" has
>not used the Biblical method of judging testimony
>based on Witnesses.

It was not "over and over," it was only mentioned a few times!

>But the truth is, you so called witnesses can not get
>your testimonies to agree! It doesn't matter how many
>people you have!

Where are the disagreements? You mean to say that you have read all the testimonies on escapeubf and they don't form a pattern?

>You are like the people who accused
>Jesus before the Sanhedrin!

This is such a wacko statement and very cult-sounding.

>Is UBF an abusive church
>of a cult?

I assume you meant is UBF an abusive church "or" a cult? If you've bothered to pay any attention to the materials posted on rsqubf, ubf-info and escapeubf, you would know that UBF is both an abusive church and a cult.

>Should they disband or should they not?

Now, there does appear to be some disagreement here. A new posting with this topic has just been made and we'll see what people say. I would say, though, that if you have been paying attention to what former members have been saying, you would notice that we unanimously want UBF to
1. admit its former and current wrongdoings
2. repent and apologize

>Some of you say that the Bible study in UBF is "Great"
>(Go look in your guest book, that was written from a
>FORMER member) others say that it is terrible.

One person in the guestbook said it was "great." Where are the others who say it is great? Read the testimonies of former members and see what they think about UBF Bible study. Personally, I think it was terrible, worse than terrible.

>With some the problem is accountability, with others it is
>Sogams or forced weight control.

You have mentioned three problems (not quite sure what you meant by the last one). There are many more problems, eg. abuse of authority, spiritual abuse, marriage by faith, numbers goals, legalism, pyramid scheme, deception, financial abuse, elitism, racism, numerous doctrinal fallacies....

>I must tell you that your method of delivering your
>accusations is terrible, about three years ago, I went
>to a Christmas Service with my mother and one of you,
>(I wont say who but you know who you are) actually had
>your small CHILDREN handing out anti-UBF literature,
>how low is that! TO get your own children involved in
>your hatred! Why dont you become a man and do it
>yourself.

Bully for Nick! I'm glad he stuck up for the truth and I'm glad his kids are doing it too.

Now, SM, if you ever want to come back here post something reasonable, maybe we can have a better discussion.

-- Anonymous ex-UBFer

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Differences of opinion are fine - unless you're in a cult! -- Anonymous, 18:26:54 11/27/04 Sat