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Date Posted: 05:23:33 11/28/04 Sun
Author: Mike K.
Subject: Re: Witnesses?
In reply to: S.M. aka "A Christian Man" 's message, "Witnesses?" on 16:15:52 11/27/04 Sat

Well, the problem is that personal experiences ARE subjective.
Do you think that everyone was subjected to the exactly same abuse in the UBF?
If you truly believe that, then this would be a terrible sign of the degree of uniformity and conformity demanded in a group to say that from all over the world, ever UBF member is exactly the same.

Other than that, all I can give you is always only my own perspective, and my own opinion. I can not speak for others, nor do I desire to do so.

Here, we do not have a "World Mission Coordinator" or a "shepherd" who tells his "sheep" what to do. And because of that, everyone is using their own brains and their own experiences...

But you see, we do have more than just 2 or 3 witnesses, for instance, that Peter Chang in Bonn did commit child abuse, and while all I can say is that I have my information from reliable sources, I can tell you that these sources include governmental agencies as well as (now former) UBF members.
And you could find out that if you get inside the UBF circle of confidence, nothing of the things would be denied - they would rather be excused with statements like "Shepherd's heart", and while some people may be so gullible to accept such an excuse, the Lord certainly does not, so why should we? Are we more righteous than God to forgive things He doesn't?


In Christ,
Mike K.

P.S.: It's very interesting that the typical cult line of defense looks the same every time: some loyal members anonymously go out on a bashing tour of "false accusers, spiritually blind people etc." and then disappear into the shadows.
"To bring them from darkness into light" - are you afraid to be in the light, giving your name and identity?

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